Organ donor system "presumed consent"

iBot said:
should stay an opt in system. People who want to give there organs away (Which will probably the minority) can allow it if they wish.

I certainly dont want my organs going to someone else. And When I was cosigning my employees driving application I noticed they are asking everyone who applies to the DVLA to join the register.
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Opt-out then :S

Although I suspect you wouldn't say no to a kidney transplant if you needed one to stay alive.
 
Skull said:
Opt-out then :S

Although I suspect you wouldn't say no to a kidney transplant if you needed one to stay alive.
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I will if it goes a head, but it should be the other way around :P

And Yes, If I needed an organ to live I would have no problem accepting it off some dead person.
 
Wait, you're iBot. I've heard about you.

I'd like to retract anything I might have said in response to anything you have said.
 
Teki187 said:
"Government advisers have recommended a radical overhaul of the UK organ donor network in a bid to double the number of organs available for transplant.

By recruiting twice as many transplant coordinators and creating 24-hour organ retrieval teams they hope to emulate Spain's successful model.

A system of "presumed consent" in which everyone is a potential donor unless they opt out is also being considered. "

Source - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7183559.stm

Gordon Brown supports the removal of organs without consent.
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Presumed consent is an excellent idea, they should introduce it immediately.
 
Basically anyone not signed upto the list shouldnt have the option of a organ transplant if they ever needed one.I would hate any organs of mine to go to someone who would not share their own organs upon death.
 
Bah, didn't read the whole therad, too long.

Its a good idea, I'm trying to remember which other country, think it might be holland, does this. Its basically law that everyone is a legal organ donor and you have to opt out at some point to stop being a donor.

THe issue here isn't that people don't bother becoming donors, its that family basically have the right to say no even if they've registered as donors and are dead/on machines unable to talk, family to counteract the order and say pee off and a LOT of families do so as its hard to talk about chopping up a newly dead member of someones family.

THe difference really between here and other places like(holland, or norway, one of the sensible places in the world) is the legality. By putting a system like this in, the legal right should simply be there to take them not regardless of families feelings, for instance you can't just turn off machines to harvest organs. But if they are brain dead or dead then families can't just say no out of ignorance, they have no right to which is completely fair.

IT won't cure ogran shortages, you still need very closely matched organs and while lots of people do die every day. The number of younger healthy organs from people every day is a lot lower and that they match someone needing one desparately is fairly improbable. But it will help quite a bit.

We also have things like a lack of organ replacement teams aswell, you have issues getting a qualified team to a site of someone who has just died and getting organ and another team to the person who needs it.

Its a start though to helping improve things and thats all you can really do.
 
I am an organ donor and I have had family members and, a long time ago, friends in need of transplants. I am against an opt-out system.

I am a firm believer that here is no more fundamental human right than control over our own bodies and what is done to them, in life and in death. The implication of a donor opt-out is that we no longer possess such control and we have to act to maintain such control. I do not think this is right.

I read in newspapers that 70-80% of people want to donate organs but only 20% or so carry cards. I think they simply need to have a marketing drive rather than be lazy try and tar people with a blanket policy - it's not as if they don't have the money for such a campaign - look at the amounts that are being thrown at them. When was the last time you saw a donor card advert? or had your doctor push them? Not for years....

If there are so many people who want to be donors and if there is such a compelling moral case then there should be no problem in increasing the number of donors.

I think those who say 'well i'm dead I don't care' need to think about organ donation. They don't take the organs when you're cold and dead - they make a decision to if you are brain dead and take all your bits while you are still going, still breathing. A man in a white jacket makes the call on if he thinks you are not coming back from your accident / illness / coma and advises your family (if you have any).

My biggest disgust is the people who say that if you opt-out you shouldn't be able to receive an organ donation. I say rubbish! This isn't a society where you have to give in order to receive. How about a mass convicted rapist (who didn't opt-out) vs a average person such as a teacher who worked hard their whole live and then suffered from kidney failure who did opt-out due to personal beliefs and fears. You will never have the choice as to where your organs go (as this article will show) but people who opt out are not demons and it needs to be looked at in context.
 
Presumed consent is a dreadful idea, they should never introduce it.

Before anyone asks - I am on the register for donating anything useful from my corpse, I carry a card in my wallet and all my family have been informed of my wishes.

I'm not objecting to organ donation. I'm objecting to pretending that someone has consented to something when they haven't.
 
drunkenmaster said:
THe issue here isn't that people don't bother becoming donors, its that family basically have the right to say no even if they've registered as donors and are dead/on machines unable to talk, family to counteract the order and say pee off and a LOT of families do so as its hard to talk about chopping up a newly dead member of someones family.
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Since the individual in question had the chance to opt out while they were alive and chose not to do so, their wishes should be respected - regardless of the family's personal views.

I don't care what's done with my body after I'm dead, as long as some of it is put to good use.
 
Vanilla said:
I think those who say 'well i'm dead I don't care' need to think about organ donation. They don't take the organs when you're cold and dead - they make a decision to if you are brain dead and take all your bits while you are still going, still breathing. A man in a white jacket makes the call on if he thinks you are not coming back from your accident / illness / coma and advises your family (if you have any).
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That's a bit overly dramatic: Man in white jacket...while you're still alive....if he thinks you're not going to make it...

You're brain dead. It's not guess work; the doctor doesn't hazard a guess that you look a bit iffy. Why does it matter whether you still have blood pumping to your organs and air going to your lungs?

My biggest disgust is the people who say that if you opt-out you shouldn't be able to receive an organ donation. I say rubbish! This isn't a society where you have to give in order to receive. How about a mass convicted rapist (who didn't opt-out) vs a average person such as a teacher who worked hard their whole live and then suffered from kidney failure who did opt-out due to personal beliefs and fears.You will never have the choice as to where your organs go (as this article will show) but people who opt out are not demons and it needs to be looked at in context.
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That story left a nasty taste. The mother desperately scrabbling for her dead daughter's kidneys
Laura's helped three people through this, but Laura would have wanted to help me
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The whole idea of not allowing people the chance to specity who can receive their organs is to allocate according to who needs them most and who has the best match, and to prevent discrimination as to who can receive them.
 
Monkey Puzzle said:
That's a bit overly dramatic: Man in white jacket...while you're still alive....if he thinks you're not going to make it...

You're brain dead. It's not guess work; the doctor doesn't hazard a guess that you look a bit iffy. Why does it matter whether you still have blood pumping to your organs and air going to your lungs?
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The point being made was that people think of themselves being dead on a slab, it doesn't happen that way. Someone is going to declare you 'to far gone' because in their experience they have not seen people come back and their tools show your brain to be gone.

Sure, doctors are great and know what they are doing - but it is important people know the process. Someone is deciding you are 'dead'.

That story left a nasty taste. The mother desperately scrabbling for her dead daughter's kidneys
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I think she should have had them. If I were dying my parents are the people I would want to look after my children and that mother left behind kids.

Outta luck if they die a few months later because they need the organs I could give them.

Personally my family is first in line for any of my organs for sure. I'll put that in writing should I fall ill.

The whole idea of not allowing people the chance to specity who can receive their organs is to allocate according to who needs them most and who has the best match, and to prevent discrimination as to who can receive them.
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Yup, yet a lot of people in this thread want just that. They want to discriminate against those who choose to opt-out if there was an opt out system.

I find that whole line of thought very immature.
 
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