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The Sierra cossie was made from 86-92 but I think Lopez is only including cars that were also released in 1986 or something, I listed cars made in the same era that had better performance/handling/reliability than it and he just dismissed them because he didn't agree
I dismissed them because they aren't as good. I'm no Ford fanboy, trust me - but the big deal about the original Cossie is that it took it to a whole new level. There was just nothing out there that could compete with it on performance or price, none of the cars you mentioned are in the same league.
It doesn't happen that often with cars which is why it was such a big deal - you see it more with bikes. When Honda launched the Fireblade it just upped the game so much that everything else became an also-ran overnight. Then Yamaha did the same trick with the R-1 a few years later.
The Cosworth was the same for performance cars. It changed the rules.
Ok look, I fail to see how a car with superior performance/handling/reliability/costs/looks (last one is eye of the beholder) cannot be in the same league as the hallowed Cosworth but never mind, we both have different opinions, and the are many many people throughout the world that back each opinion, lets just agree to disagree on this ok
Awesomeness that I'll never grow out of, I owned A Sapphire (Sierra) Cosworth for 4 years before getting the M3. Many, many fond fun memories, both driving it and fixing it.
Still go to worship at Ford Fair every year.
I definately "get" the "Cosworth thing"
Still go to worship at Ford Fair every year.
I definately "get" the "Cosworth thing"
Actually you'd find a MKIII supra Turbo would have been all over a Sierra RS cosworth. Both will crack 60 in a gnats over 6 seconds. Put an imported 2.5 twin turbo one into the mix and the faithful Cosworth would be blown back to Dagenham
. The MKIII was never really a drift car either. Actually it did compete with the likes of the Sierra RS in the world of Group A Touring cars
.Not saying that they were direct competitors in the real world mind
Everyone knows what a Cosworth is.. A Galant vr4 on the other hand.. not so much so. The thing with a Cosworth is thats its an icon. Its hard for most people to list any other similar cars, which at the time were any good. This is because there wasnt any. Also the Cosworth dominated Motorsport at the time, which played a massive part in its sucsess as a road car.
The Sierra Cossie came about when the writing was on the wall for Group B. Ford needed to come up with something quickly to go rallying with in Group A and it was also eligible for the various Group A based Touring car series. It was purely a homologation special (like the BMW M3, Merc 190E 2.3 etc) and never intended to get compared to big heavy Jap coupes in What Car group tests. The sales success was a happy accident and as Lopez said earlier rewrote the book, influencing cars like the Integrale, Scoobies, Celica GT-4s over the following years.
The Cossie's motorsport results speak for themselves. It was competitive on tarmac rallies and the tweaked RS500 blew everything else away in the Touring Car scene. Toyota had a well funded go at the 1988 BTCC with the Supra Turbo but no-one remembers it as it usually finished behind the lower class BMW M3's. The works R31 Skyline ran the Sierra privateers close in Australia on a good day.
It was a genuinely ground breaking affordable performance car, and it's nice to see an original car still around that wasn't TWOC'd, bent around a lamppost or had 650bhp squeezed out of it and covered in Ripspeed tat.
The Cossie's motorsport results speak for themselves. It was competitive on tarmac rallies and the tweaked RS500 blew everything else away in the Touring Car scene. Toyota had a well funded go at the 1988 BTCC with the Supra Turbo but no-one remembers it as it usually finished behind the lower class BMW M3's. The works R31 Skyline ran the Sierra privateers close in Australia on a good day.
It was a genuinely ground breaking affordable performance car, and it's nice to see an original car still around that wasn't TWOC'd, bent around a lamppost or had 650bhp squeezed out of it and covered in Ripspeed tat.
Actually you'd find a MKIII supra Turbo would have been all over a Sierra RS cosworth. Both will crack 60 in a gnats over 6 seconds. Put an imported 2.5 twin turbo one into the mix and the faithful Cosworth would be blown back to Dagenham
In a straight line possibly, but on your average British road the Supra would not be able to cope with a Cosworth.
Im not trying to be rude but do you have any reasoning behind that? both cars are rwd and both have decent rear diffs (supe has a torsen unit, unsure bout the sierra but im guessing its got a good one too) the top trim level of the supra also had electronic suspension that would adjust individual shock stiffness for cornering/braking/accelerating
Ok look, I fail to see how a car with superior performance/handling/reliability/costs/looks (last one is eye of the beholder) cannot be in the same league as the hallowed Cosworth but never mind, we both have different opinions, and the are many many people throughout the world that back each opinion, lets just agree to disagree on this ok
jap cars were not popular back then.. but everyone wanted a cossie...
how old are you anyway ?
Yes, I've driven both of them which helps. Trust me the, Supra is no Cosworth. It's a whopping great fatty for a start!
Yes but the supra has 11hp per tonne more, weight is pretty irrelevant if you have the power to move it. It doesn't matter though me an Lopez will never see eye to eye on this, like I said we both have an opinion and we both have many people who share it, just one of those things, if the human race all liked the same car then the would only be one manufacturer/model
Only in terms of straight line performance. Weight hurts almost every other aspect.
I quite agree - I and am (sadly!) old enough to remember the stir the Cossie made, it indeed re wrote the book for "Performance cars for Joe public"
Find a good one & they are still an absolute hoot to drive today!