**** Original Starcraft 2 Thread ****

Purdy said:
Neither of you mentioning Stephano :eek:

EDIT: Also you're wrong about it not being interesting until the finals rofl
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Well all starcraft matches are interesting to watch but in a tournament setting theres more uneven matches at the beginning and it evens out by the ro16 or ro8 so that's when I won't know who'll win most of the time.


Stephano is good but I don't think he'll beat any of the top koreans to get 1st place. He may be second though.
 
Purdy said:
Well that g3 was awful in stephano polt after a close g1 and a master class in macro from g2, but I guess when in doubt, all in.
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Haven't watched them yet, I will do when the replay pack is released in a few weeks time. Stephano and Polt have quite a history lately in on/offline tournaments and Polts won more so Stephano must have been nervous.
 
Game 3 kind of sucked because there wasn't much Stephano could do since he wasn't psychic.

Due to how long it takes an Overlord to get to the Terran base on that map and how well the bases are protected from aerial approaches, it's very hard to justify throwing an Overlord in when you know there will be marines and it's going to die for sure. The more prudent choice is to leave it hanging around so you can spot when or if the Terran takes their third.

Marines at the front deny scouting flawlessly as well, so Stephano was completely in the dark about what Polt intended to do.

Where it got really bad for Stephano was that he decided to rush infestors rather than build a blind roach warren, as he had done in the previous two games. I don't think it's worth getting hung up on this point however, since even if he had blindly built a warren, he wouldn't have been building units either way, so he'd have still had no larvae or supply room to start pumping out enough units to stop 7 stim marauders and 12 hellions showing up on his doorstep.

It was an unfortunate total destruction of Stephano, when obviously the two players are very evenly matched and only served to highlight that the game still has issues over reliably showing who is the most skillful player in a 1v1 situation. It was a build order win based on circumstances that are beyond the players control more so than it was a highly skillful strategy executed to perfection from someone who mechanically outplayed the other.
 
avec said:
It was an unfortunate total destruction of Stephano, when obviously the two players are very evenly matched and only served to highlight that the game still has issues over reliably showing who is the most skillful player in a 1v1 situation. It was a build order win based on circumstances that are beyond the players control more so than it was a highly skillful strategy executed to perfection from someone who mechanically outplayed the other.
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You're probably right. But with a game as complicated as SC2 you can never eliminate luck from the equation. It's also important for it's status as an eSport - the game's designed to be watchable and what makes a sport exciting to watch? Upsets where the underdog ends up winning.

So the game will always have a decent amount of luck involved and Blizzard wouldn't change that even if they could.
 
Kamwah said:
O I already went onto Medium and couldn't watch it. I'd wrather watch Playhem daily which has a better quality stream. I hate MLG lol
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The twitch tv stream is better quality I've found.

I'd like MKP to win it myself, I love watching him play as he just seems to have invincible marines.

It reminds me of watching Boxer playing Brood War :cool:
 
MikeHunt79 said:
The twitch tv stream is better quality I've found.

I'd like MKP to win it myself, I love watching him play as he just seems to have invincible marines.

It reminds me of watching Boxer playing Brood War :cool:
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Too bad Boxer doesn't play SC2 like he does BW. He does have some quirky builds though I love to nick XD

Yea I want MKP to win but I think DRG might steal that from him.
 
...ahhh, Day9 being awesome. I love that guy.

Was rooting for JYP but there was never too much doubt that DRG would win tbh. Currently watching IdrA get pwned by Polt.
 
Not sure what I think of the setup of these tournaments. It's good that it's not simple group stages and then knockout, but the fact that every winner can lose their next match and drop down to get another chance at going through can lead to some rather strange situations.

I mean, MKP is about to play Parting for a place in the winners final against DRG. Let's say that MKP wins and Parting loses - Parting drops down into the losers half again and wins his next match, and then his next opponent is the loser of MKP vs DRG, so he's potentially up against the guy who beat him two rounds ago. And then you have the situation that the winner of the winners final (in this hypothetical situation, DRG) goes through to the grand final to play the winner of the losers final, who could very likely be the guy he just beat in the winners final.

So essentially we could see MKP vs Parting in the winners semi final, then MKP vs DRG in the winners final, then MKP vs Parting in the losers final, then MKP vs DRG in the grand final. Obviously with loads of other games and players in between (on the losers side at least), but it's still quite ridiculous that this could happen.
 
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Naff8000 said:
Sheth trampled over Polt 2-0. Think Stephano needs to take notes.
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Sheth studied Polt's replays and worked out a build to defeat him. After beating Polt he then lost to a far, far worse Terran in KawaiiRice.

There is no lesson to take from this, since unless you're seeded high up in MLG's self perpetuating cycle of biased seeding, you wont know who you're likely to face and thus can't prepare for them in such a way as Sheth did for Polt. Plus even if you do prepare so well for one opponent, you can still lose to others if you aren't good enough at adapting and knowing how to play in multiple ways.

It was an alright tournament, but it was marred by the silly seeding system, an insane amount of ad breaks and the overall format (the way the brackets work, extended series etc.).

MLG Providence is the best way to illustrate MLG's nonsense seeding policy. MMA only played two games at that event, lost both of them and finished 9th. Idra played three games, lost two, won one and finished 8th (won $3000). Other players outperformed those two by a great margin, yet finished below them due to nonsense seeding.
 
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