Original Starcraft 2 Thread

Kamwah · 25 Nov 2012 at 02:46

m4rk84 said:
What are you even on about, every single game is updated. Even if we exclude the international database and look here at just the Korean tournament database, the MOST important games, you can see not only is every game entered and up-to-date but both players are in the top 3 of their respective races.

Essentially you haven't a clue what on earth you are going on about and not only are both players of Code S level they are both two of the absolute best players.

I think it's you who has no idea what you're going on about. The TLPD does not contain anywhere near all the tournament matches, it stays pretty up to date with things like GSL and MLG but it doesn't take into account the majority of the online tournaments.
The most major matches I know it didn't use to take into account is the UnDs. Pretty sure no Code A qualifiers are there either.

Essentially your fanboyism can't see past that these are two players that are way overhyped and that literally it's just an opinion. There are plenty of Protoss that are way better and more consistent than Hero. Taeja was consistent but lately he's not playing to the level he normally would be.

Ultimately you're arguing about opinions plus Joe just wanted to poke a stick at me cos he thinks this means something to what we're talking about last.

m4rk84 · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:05

Kamwah said:
I think it's you who has no idea what your going on about.

No seriously dude it's you who hasn't a clue and the more you go on the bigger the hole you will dig yourself.

First you say:

Hero is nowhere near Code S level which is why he gets knocked out every Ro32 since his first time in Code S.

HerO made it to the semi-finals in his first time in Code S in Season 2 2012 he then made it to the quarters in season 4. So absolutely not true.

Then these:

TLPD doesn't count the majority of matches and half the time Koreans are aiming to take certain events seriously while others they just troll in becuase they're required to take part.

The most major matches I know it didn't use to take into account is the UnDs. Pretty sure no Code A qualifiers are there either.

Firstly the Korean database shows the absolute most important matches in SC2 and it most definitely does show the up and downs.

Both have shown they are Code S level, and have proven it where it counts, results. So the only thing really debatable here is just how wrong your opinion is.

Kamwah · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:10

Wow one mistake about how many times he's been in Code S, that's a big hole I've fallen into. Almost as big as if I'd said that MVP has only won GSL once.

Most important matches? So we have a database that neatly arranges ELOs for us but they get to decide what's important? Sounds logical.

Proven where it counts? Purely opinion.

I'll never understand why Koreans on foreign teams give the fanboys a hardon.

Oh well.

m4rk84 · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:15

Neither are even close to being my favourite players. My favourite players aren't even close to being the best players but I enjoy cheering them on anyway, Grubby TLO and Demuslim.

Just because your wrong you want to label anyone who shows your opinion to be complete tosh a "fanboi!" I'm not entirely sure how or why your now backtracking and trying to say GSL games aren't important and quite frankly I don't really care anymore. It's plain for everyone to see just how wrong you are.

Kamwah · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:20

m4rk84 said:
Neither are even close to being my favourite players. My favourite players aren't even close to being the best players but I enjoy cheering them on anyway, Grubby TLO and Demuslim.

Just because your wrong you want to label anyone who shows your opinion to be complete tosh a "fanboi!" I'm not entirely sure how or why your now backtracking and trying to say GSL games aren't important and quite frankly I don't really care anymore. It's plain for everyone to see just how wrong you are.

I'm not backtracking, I'm saying its not logical that we have a system so that casuals can easily see whose currently performing the best yet then judge games on their worth. There's plenty of games missing from the TLPD like online tournies, qualifiers and the rare Korean showmatch.
Also the UnDs weren't ever on there a couple seasons back. It's the reason why sc2statistics who used to do the monthly winrates gave up.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise opinions could be wrong. Idiotic.
Next you'll tell me that I have to accept Rooney or Beckham as the best British player ever.

m4rk84 · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:24

It's my opinion that your opinion is wrong and I'm willing to wager it would be the opinion of 99.9% of all SC2 fans' opinions that your opinion is wrong as well. So clearly it can be pretty easy to label an opinion wrong. Especially when backed up by convincing records in the most prestigious tournament in the game.

By the way it's my opinion that Scunthorpe are better then Man Utd!

Purdy · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:24

Case and point

Kamwah · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:34

m4rk84 said:
It's my opinion that your opinion is wrong and I'm willing to wager it would be the opinion of 99.9% of all SC2 fans' opinions that your opinion is wrong as well. So clearly it can be pretty easy to label an opinion wrong. Especially when backed up by convincing records in the most prestigious tournament in the game.

By the way it's my opinion that Scunthorpe are better then Man Utd!

I can tell you're crazy by just thinking the majority would agree with you or even care for that matter.

Convincing records? Where?! These two players have been active for nearly 10 seasons of GSL and they've gotten far in what? 2 seasons for hero and 3 for Taeja. Those two can't even stay consistent enough to stay in 5 seasons of Code S. (although Taeja is close but this is more about Hero than Taeja)

Anyway lets not continue, my original point against Joe was there are much better Protoss players which I won't even bother arguing with you about because then I'd just be getting trolled

m4rk84 · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:37

Ok show me one person that backs you up on your opinion that HerO isn't a Code S quality player. The convincing records are the ELO system, however you clearly have no idea how an ELO system works.

Kamwah · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:46

That's a request that just can't be fulfilled when we're in a dead thread. The only people that come here these days are usually just team game players and people new to the game.
Even if I did get someone to sign up its not going to mean a ****ing thing.

Yes, I have no idea how an ELO system works because I think it's stupid that it picks and chooses the matches that are taken into account. What are you even on? Can I have some?

m4rk84 · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:50

Ah always a good sign when someone makes it personal. I won't take the bait instead Ill just leave you be in your own little SC2 world where you fantasise your opinion means something.

Kamwah · 25 Nov 2012 at 03:55

m4rk84 said:
Ah always a good sign when someone makes it personal. I won't take the bait instead Ill just leave you be in your own little SC2 world where you fantasise your opinion means something.

Where in my reply did I take what you said personally? You have to be on something seriously. Wait a sec, I'm being troll........

ordinaryjoe · 25 Nov 2012 at 10:13

Kamwah said:
but then again Liquid is pretty meh apart from Taeja and Sea.

So you did mention liquid sea! So how is hero 'meh' while sea is good? What has sea achieved that hero hasn't? I'm not a hero fan boy but it's plain to see that everyone except you can realise that he's a good player.

So Koreans don't bother with non-important games, yet it's unreasonable to only accept games for elo which players are always going to consider important? Lol at proving yourself wrong.

I seem to remember being called a troll every time it became overwhelmingly obvious that you were wrong... it's like your way of not ever admitting that you're wrong, even when it's obvious you are.

Naff8000 · 25 Nov 2012 at 10:30

We're you trolling when you said:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381993&currentpage=8#145

Purdy · 25 Nov 2012 at 12:34

Kamwah · 25 Nov 2012 at 13:00

Bunch of trolls here.

Have fun with your team games lol

m4rk84 · 25 Nov 2012 at 13:08

Only troll here is you. ;p

By the way was a little tired last night and missed this gem "2 seasons for hero and 3 for Taeja" both HerO and Taeja have been in Code S for 4 seasons in a row now.

Kamwah · 25 Nov 2012 at 13:16

m4rk84 said:
Only troll here is you. ;p

By the way was a little tired last night and missed this gem "2 seasons for hero and 3 for Taeja" both HerO and Taeja have been in Code S for 4 seasons in a row now.

Even I have to admit that one was wrong, I was sat in bed typing that lol.

I'm not a troll, you lot are just arguing opinions like tards. You won't ever get me to agree that Hero is a good player. To me he's just overhyped and will never be one of the best Protoss, no idea why you continue to try and troll me by fighting his corner yet saying you're not fanboys?

@Naff - The funny thing is Leenock and Soulkey advanced from that group.

But please continue, tell me how I'm not entitled to my own opinion. We might as well go that far.

Naff8000 · 25 Nov 2012 at 13:28

Right so you actually think Life is bad? You weren't trolling? Seeing as that post was just after his mlg win, or could you foresee the future and knew he was about to go on a mini-slump?

Kamwah · 25 Nov 2012 at 13:35

Naff8000 said:
Right so you actually think Life is bad? You weren't trolling? Seeing as that post was just after his mlg win, or could you foresee the future and knew he was about to go on a mini-slump?

Life isn't as great as everyone says. He plays diffent from other Zergs, not better.
It's been mentioned quite a few times in GSL Winner Interviews by fellow Zergs, they have trouble replicating his Lair play.

Mini-slump? If that's what you call being figured out then go for it.

Leenock and Symbol have been top Zerg players for much longer and Soulkey has done very well since he transferred to SC2.

Life will and Hero should make it back to Code S next season. Their opponents in the Ro32/24 aren't going to give them a hassle, although Gumiho or Bomber might send Hero to UnDs

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