**** Original Starcraft 2 Thread ****

I never commented on your opinion of hero and the likes. (although the life one is a bit lol), so not sure where I've screamed you're wrong a 1000 times, just making the point you fail to discuss when people challenge your opinion.

Regardless of what that guy 'is on', still insulting people, claim you haven't and then ignore when it is pointed out.
 
Kamwah said:
Your reply seriously is that of a fanboy, you're just repeating over and over "You think Life is bad?" and the "He was truly epic" comment just screams fanboy.
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I didn't expect anything more from you than playing the fanboy card Kamwah, you are a joke. I enjoy great play and since I play zerg I enjoy watching..... well............. the best zerg? or the 'bad' zerg Kamwah?
 
Naff8000 said:
I didn't expect anything more from you than playing the fanboy card Kamwah, you are a joke. I enjoy great play and since I play zerg I enjoy watching..... well............. the best zerg? or the 'bad' zerg Kamwah?
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You are the joke here. 1 GSL royal road run and 1 MLG win does not make a great Zerg.

Clueless.
 
Kamwah said:
Joe sparked the whole thing (whose now ****ed off) and the others just continue
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Wah? I replied late this morning and it's now late afternoon. It's a Sunday... I have things to do which I prioritise over internet forums.

It's not like you even had any reply to my last post... much better to not say anything and hope no one notices that you have no answer?

You are allowed to have an opinion but if you post it on an internet forum, you should be able to justify it, and let's face it.... you can't. To everyone else, it seems obviously wrong and you arent making any kind of decent arguent to convince anyone otherwise. Calling names and saying you're being trolled is not justification.
 
ordinaryjoe said:
Wah? I replied late this morning and it's now late afternoon. It's a Sunday... I have things to do which I prioritise over internet forums.

It's not like you even had any reply to my last post... much better to not say anything and hope no one notices that you have no answer?

You are allowed to have an opinion but if you post it on an internet forum, you should be able to justify it, and let's face it.... you can't. To everyone else, it seems obviously wrong and you arent making any kind of decent arguent to convince anyone otherwise. Calling names and saying you're being trolled is not justification.
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You don't have to justify an opinion, are you crazy? Next you'll tell me my favorite color can be either correct or wrong =/

Already said quite a few times I have no desire to bash heads about random opinions. I am being trolled because you lot just want to keep it going XD

lol.
 
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It used to be a good thread when the game was released. Since then it's just a continuous tiresome argument about e-peens.
 
Kamwah said:
You don't have to justify an opinion, are you crazy? Next you'll tell me my favorite color can be either correct or wrong =/
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On the other hand, if you continually claim something which seems to the majority completely incorrect, you best be able to explain your reasoning.

e.g. If I say "Spain are terrible at football" and people say "hang on, they have a lot of excellent players and won the world cup and European cup... How can you say they are terrible at football?", I'd be expected to justify my opinion. If I can't, it would be reasonable to assume I'm talking nonsense. If I then go on to say "I'm right, I'm right" with no reasoning, I just look arrogant - especially if I then criticise others who are using reason and valid arguments.

Anyway, moving on, what do people think of HOTS? I don't really see much Terran atm (2/3 of people seem to be Zerg and maybe 1/4 Protoss :-/ ) but my opinion on the units I see:
Tempest: The uses I see for it most often are trying to force the opponent to engage by constantly picking off things with 3 or 4 tempests... Really annoying to be against but I guess it's your fault for letting them build them.
Swarm Host: Similar to Tempest's role.... really similar, but maybe better for massing up a little bit more and useful earlier in the game. Crap defense.
Oracle: Can be a pain but haven't seen them used too well yet...
Mothership Core: Good for recall, makes early harass with just a few units FAR less effective (IMO too much so in PvP, not sure about other races)
Haven't really seen the other units used too much, but haven't played a massive amount of games. The maps feel really different to SC2 too... far more 'different routes' kind of feel, and of course, plenty of destructible rocks ;)
 
^ Played about 30 games or so of Zerg and not sure what to think yet.

We havent really changed much but I like the Swarm Host a lot and it maybe could be toned down a bit...

Viper is good aswell I like Blinding Cloud and the pull thing is fun to use to.

My favourite change is being able to build spores with just a pool up so you can deal with protoss oracle/mothership Core harrass easier..
 
frankmcg said:
Now this is how you put forward an opinion:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385876
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Ver always has some good posts.

That one is semi-serious, mostly humor though.

Did anyone see the big list of changes David Kim put forward for a huge HotS patch?

Terran

1. Redesign Thor ability/Raven seeker missile

2. Push early game Reaper a bit more

3. Hellbats better against melee units, not necessarily better vs. Ranged.

4. We'd really like to see more Medivac usage like we saw in Wings for a time in the past. Currently thinking on a cooldown based speed booster ability.

5. Buff Bio in the late game - with the addition of new units in HotS, we feel Bio in the late game is a bit weak.

6. Buff mech in general - we'd like to maybe test combining the vehicle and air upgrades at the armory.

Zerg

1. Hydralisk movement speed upgrade to Lair

2. Mutalisk buff to speed and/or acceleration

3. Ultralisk changed to be good vs. all ground

4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily

5. Make it easier to unburrow and reposition Swarm Hosts

Protoss


1. Redesign Voidray - we're currently thinking of having the player choose when to activate the charge up ability.

2. Oracle - pulsar beam would now overlap too much with the new Voidray, so we'd like to change the Oracle to be more of a worker harasser.

3. Buff DTs not necessarily for the DT rush case, but to have DTs more often in the late game.

4. Nerf Vortex - we don't like how all or nothing this ability is in Wings, and with new unit adds, we feel we can remove or phase out this ability.

5. Fix Tempests to not counter all late tech Zerg. We currently don't like how Zerg can't go Tier 3 units if Tempests are in play.

6. Make Voidray + Phoenix + Oracle combo a viable strat overall.
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I can honestly say if they seriously aim for most of these things I can see a vast improvement in HotS.
The only thing I dislike is the Mutalisk acceleration as they're already capable of being annoying as it is. Also the Ultralisk shouldn't be good against all ground IMO, I already dislike the charge they've added as it kind of negates good positioning.

I've seen some people say that Hellbats are already too good against Zealots =/ Not from what I've seen, it relies heavily on positioning when BF and the upgrades are the same.
Love the combined Air/Mech upgrades, it allows Terran to switch easier like the other races can.
Not sure Reapers need to be pushed anymore than they already have been.
I wonder what the Thor/Seeker Missile change will be.

I still hate Tempests.

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Just to add, MLG's tournament of champions is going on atm with some terrible casters but it's DRG VS FLASH!

Some great games and Flash is currently up 2-0.
 
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