**** Original Starcraft 2 Thread ****

Milkybk said:
Tbh James J you even moaned about Zerg static defenses when they're extremely useful early game and even late game for map control.
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I love the mechanics for the new static defenses. Much much better than the old sunken and spores. (Y)
 
you cant beat mass mutas with marines and thors anymore , the box trick does infact make them pretty indestructable once theyv hit mass.
maybe if you have a few yes but thats not what were talking about...its got nothing to do with being **** theres plenty of pro games out there that clearly show that mutas are the dogs ******** once massed, unless the pros are **** now and your the only good player in starcraft???

admitadely mutas are very gas intensive, so if you let it get to that stage of the game without doing anything you deserve to be hurt....but still.
 
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Indie said:
Id say that sending all your units head onto a protoss base was slightly suicidal.

Zerg vs Protoss is the most balanced matchup in the game at the moment. Im a Zerg player. Please don't complain. Its pretty obv. sending all your units into one place against a turtling opponant is going to get your units killed.

Tech to brood lords/corrupter/hydra and pick off important defensive units such as collosi, High Templars. If he sends air after you, use corruptors/Hydra, if he charges his defense at you, Broodlings provide a constant wall, hydras do the DPS. Hell if hes turtling, you should have taken the map, so even if he did kill you, You should have had another army ready as soon as yours died.

Hell if hes turtled, mix in some infestors so he cant move to micro your BL's
Nydus or two?
Abuse Zergs mobility aspect and don't expect to use 1a tactics and win. Zerg are the hardest race to master.


I'd like to see the replay.
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This! Never a truer word been said.

The zerg are perhaps in some ways unbalanced, but I believe most people's whinging about them comes down to the fact that they just don't know how to play them and they simply expect a terran clone.

To be honest, as zerg I'd never really wonder into a turtled base. The only time I'd do so was if there was a hole in their defenses that could be exploited. If they have completely turtled in then they've already lost the game, because if all their resources has gone into defensive structures then their army can't be as big as yours. Use the zerg's fantastic map control to scout the whole map. Take advantage of the fact that by this point the zerg will have countless overlords, spread them all over the map. You might lose the odd one but the information on where his units are heading is invaluable.

Using observation and a larger army you can prevent any sort of expansion, which in the mean time you can expand all over the map. This is how I win most of my games.
 
I love to harass with nydus worms, they effectively put your opponent on constant alert, forcing them to keep there main ball on the move at all times. Which again leads to giving the zerg player more map control, I think there was a match on HD starcraft a few days ago with a korean ZvP, this is how zerg nydus should be played. I'll find the link
 
iamtheoneneo said:
you cant beat mass mutas with marines and thors anymore , the box trick does infact make them pretty indestructable once theyv hit mass.
maybe if you have a few yes but thats not what were talking about...its got nothing to do with being **** theres plenty of pro games out there that clearly show that mutas are the dogs ******** once massed, unless the pros are **** now and your the only good player in starcraft???

admitadely mutas are very gas intensive, so if you let it get to that stage of the game without doing anything you deserve to be hurt....but still.
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Mutalisks are not cost effective enough to mass, their not a massing unit at all. not at 100/100. Thor cost.. what 300/200?, 5 mutalisk to 1 thor, with micro.
so we need 500/500 to Terrans 500/200 (fill gap with marines) Mutas have no chance.

Mutalisk mechanics are used for early-mid game harassment, nothing more. They are there to contain to allow zerg to expand and tech switch to roaches, which is the counter to Mutalisks.

Players below diamond top half, imho, shouldn't even bother commenting on balances and imbalances of the game, they just don't have a great enough effect to apply. Please see Milkys rant ^^

_Gizka_ said:
All this talk of Zerg makes me want to give them a try out, do you have any replays to have a look at Indie?
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I don't have any to post at the moment because im at work. However, Kar posted a replay pack of about 10-15 games of me and him a few threads back. If you ask him nicely i think he may even post the link again :)
 
cHk4 said:
I swear I'm being a **** but I can't find a link to a stream on TL web site. I can see all the individual streams but not one for the GLS -.-



Agree with this, I don't mean any offence but bronze/silver zerg are generally not that great. I played a zerg player the other day who was plat and literally I won it with a few units left. Was such a close game.

They are a great race just imo hard to play.
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http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/live

It's in the TL thread for the event. Always check the threads on TL in the SC" tournament sections, they have the most info.
 
Need some help here. I lost more than i won yesterday and although my random 3v3 team mates were a bit rubbish, we pretty much got wiped.

I play protoss and have trouble defending against rushes.

let me give you a few examples.

I block of my ramp and get a 2 zealots. opponent terran has secretly built barracks next to mineral field behind my teams base and rushed my base. By the time i got rid of his reapers, they rush my teams base. 3rd team member does no rescuing and we end up losing.

got around 6 zealots to fend off marine rush at teams base. by the time we get a small army of myself 8 zealots and head to opponents base, they have mmm up.

it seems to me that all zergs go spawning pool and terrans do mmm rush.

How do I even defend against this? and statistically, since I am often the only protoss, I get hit first.

At one stage, one team player massed void rays but let both myself and other team player to get wiped.

I mean, how does blizz match up the opponents?
Why am I always in the "not favored" side? Best i got was team even...
 
Out of the top 100 players globally:
27 are Protoss
13 are Zerg
3 are Random
57 are Terran

Taken from SC2ranks.com

Zerg are underpowered this patch, and Terran are overpowered.
Protoss are pretty much spot-on besides early Zealots.
 
Man if anyone is watching the GSL today (and even if you're not, because the first game will be freely available as a vod later today), there was a pvp game that is *mandatory* viewing :)

Ogs inca is now one of my favourite protoss players :D
 
kar said:
Man if anyone is watching the GSL today (and even if you're not, because the first game will be freely available as a vod later today), there was a pvp game that is *mandatory* viewing :)

Ogs inca is now one of my favourite protoss players :D
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That first game should not have ended the way it did (trying not to spoil it for people :p).
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
Out of the top 100 players globally:
27 are Protoss
13 are Zerg
3 are Random
57 are Terran

Taken from SC2ranks.com

Zerg are underpowered this patch, and Terran are overpowered.
Protoss are pretty much spot-on besides early Zealots.
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The thing with Zerg is that not many people have actually mastered them yet. the reason why their the hardest race to play is because their no longer purely the "macro" race. they have to micro well aswell as keep their macro as high if not higher than it was in BW.

Their macro mechanics are difficult, with the Injects from the Queens, especially compared to Protoss that have their warpgates already hotkey'd and can jsut spam their units as and when.

Theres much more to do as a Zerg player, and while your doing that you need to keep up standard harassment. Top Korean Zergs are doing very well at the moment, because they have the multitasking ability to do everything.

I think a couple of balance patches should fix it. Mechanics are fine imo, their jsut different to the other 2 races. Marauder should be dulled down a bit, other than that, theres not much you can do without making the other matchups imbalanced.
 
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