Original Starcraft 2 Thread

Mailman86 · 15 Sep 2010 at 17:08

How am I supposed to wall off as Protoss on maps with a big ramp like scrap station? I just don't have an answer for Zerg if they rush me here as I can't get a wall up fast enough/enough units.

just Scott · 15 Sep 2010 at 17:31

Mailman86 said:
How am I supposed to wall off as Protoss on maps with a big ramp like scrap station? I just don't have an answer for Zerg if they rush me here as I can't get a wall up fast enough/enough units.

Gate, cyber core, 2 pylons and a zealot is a wall on scrap station. Maybe even 1 pylon.

kar · 15 Sep 2010 at 17:47

Mailman86 said:
How am I supposed to wall off as Protoss on maps with a big ramp like scrap station? I just don't have an answer for Zerg if they rush me here as I can't get a wall up fast enough/enough units.

You don't. You warpgate all in and hope you kill them. Or you vote down the map.

It's worse against Terran though. 3 Rax push is pretty brutal.

platypus · 15 Sep 2010 at 17:58

Mailman86 said:
How am I supposed to wall off as Protoss on maps with a big ramp like scrap station? I just don't have an answer for Zerg if they rush me here as I can't get a wall up fast enough/enough units.

Um, you don't want to wall in as Protoss, as you then can't expand..

Mailman86 · 15 Sep 2010 at 18:18

platypus said:
Um, you don't want to wall in as Protoss, as you then can't expand..

Try not walling in against a zergling rush!

Anyways I always try and leave a gap small enough for a zealot to block and big enough for the rest of my units to go through when they need to. I don't normally wall in against Terran or a Protoss mirror.

just Scott · 15 Sep 2010 at 18:55

platypus said:
Um, you don't want to wall in as Protoss, as you then can't expand..

Walling off as protoss means you leave a space big enough for a zealot or two to block zerglings. It's not the same as walling off as terran which nothing can get through.

platypus · 15 Sep 2010 at 19:17

Ahhah.

Nerusy · 15 Sep 2010 at 19:19

platypus said:
Ahhah.

Perry is that you? and if you didn't get the reference I can only say, good name my friend, good name

kar · 15 Sep 2010 at 22:34

I don't know if you guys have seen it, but GamesTM had their 100th issue this month, and they have a covers for their favourite top 100 games of all time.

I managed to get hold of the Starcraft cover edition

http://www.gamestm.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gamestm-top-100-covers-41to60/051_GTM100.jpg

dmcg · 15 Sep 2010 at 22:36

damn brutal difficulty on sp is pretty hard ;x

Vtec9k · 15 Sep 2010 at 22:42

I'm just getting into SC2 now and it's pretty damn awesome! Got the beta but never played it at all and I'm wishing I had really.

currently Bronze 42 and getting pasted my most people

My multitasking is shocking...

Indie · 16 Sep 2010 at 07:52

kar said:
I don't know if you guys have seen it, but GamesTM had their 100th issue this month, and they have a covers for their favourite top 100 games of all time.

I managed to get hold of the Starcraft cover edition

http://www.gamestm.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gamestm-top-100-covers-41to60/051_GTM100.jpg

ohh might get that

Indie · 16 Sep 2010 at 10:03

For those players that want to get more involved with the UK & Ireland SCII scene, you should sign up and start playing in the tournament every thursday

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146336

You'll have chance to play some of the top UK players, which will inevitably make you better!

i know a few people from here already compete, and i took part in the BETA tournament they held. Really good fun and a good way to meet new players to spa with and improve on your game. Recommended to all levels of play

kar · 16 Sep 2010 at 10:58

Some light reading (not confirmed) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153362&currentpage=All

Some interesting balance changes here.

The mule changes especially would hurt terran sufficiently, I think.

*Edit* These are likely not legit. But interesting none the less.

platypus · 16 Sep 2010 at 11:48

Quite a few nerfs all round if true.

Skillmister · 16 Sep 2010 at 11:53

'- Calldown MULE cooldown increased from 0 to 40 seconds.'

Seems a bit unnecessary going from 0-40.

Nerusy · 16 Sep 2010 at 12:50

They're "nerfing" toss economy a bit too with chrono boost 0-20 cooldown

"250 mm Cannons may now be used on friendly and neutral structures and units" finally I can do that, now this game is balanced.

kar · 16 Sep 2010 at 12:52

Just to re-iterate, it's likely a fake balance list, but still interesting none-the-less.

Yamahahahahaha · 16 Sep 2010 at 12:59

Skillmister said:
'- Calldown MULE cooldown increased from 0 to 40 seconds.'

Seems a bit unnecessary going from 0-40.

Why? Terran players currently get rewarded for forgetting to use their MULE drops.
"Oh I forgot to use one, now I have 2, sweet!"

Zerg still lack effective late game anti-air. Corrupters are 'ok' but typically inferior to Protoss and Terran by that stage.
Protoss still lack effective mid-game anti-air (specifically muta counters), Phoenixes just aren't powerful enough - and only if you teched for them.
Terrans have Marines and Vikings by that point.

Nerusy · 16 Sep 2010 at 13:01

Yeah mule and chrono boost nerfs should make it on par with poor zergs spawn larve.

Finally some steps to help zergs out

Anti air? stalkers? Also there's a video of 1 phenix killing 100 mutas or so whatever the max is with flawless micro.

Its ok to talk about real issues but terran bashing and whining is not one of them.

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