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Yea I enjoy it a lot. But I generally dont enjoy laddering very much. I prefer customs in general with people whom i can talk to about it and such. Feels better to enjoy and improve the game together.
Just grinding through the same strats on the ladder isnt of that much interest to me, and it's stressful when you're not doing as well as you'd like to. There's no gradient like in other games, either you're 'the winner' or 'the loser' in any given game.
None of my mates play Starcraft (they all play LoLOLOLOLOL). So I'm kinda stuck with ladder either way
None of my mates play Starcraft (they all play LoLOLOLOLOL). So I'm kinda stuck with ladder either way
Bah, there's usually a few people in the OcUK channel up for customs! I certainly am when i'm online (which is rare atm but still
)Bah, there's usually a few people in the OcUK channel up for customs! I certainly am when i'm online (which is rare atm but still
Aye I know but it's not really the same is it. No offence to any of you guys but you know what I mean.
When I'm playing badly I don't enjoy the game, but my reaction to that is to stop playing. When I'm playing well I have more fun than on any other game. The key for me when I'm not having fun and stop playing the game is to remember the positive results and how good they feel. If you have a bad session it's very easy for it to play on your mind up until the next time you play, and I've even kept myself awake in annoyance at how I should've won particular matches.
My position on the ladder doesn't bother me that much anymore. I don't force myself to play x amount of games a day, or tell myself "I will get top 8 by the weekend", as setting that kind of goal takes away from the individual games and focuses simply on some rather insignificant numbers. It's like playing WoW with the intention of getting better gear - you are forcing yourself to play for numbers, not to have fun. You tell yourself that in the long run you will be better and you'll enjoy it when you're better, when actually that's probably not true at all. I've had more fun on games that I'm actually quite useless at than the ones on which I'd consider myself a veteran.
You can only justify playing a game you don't enjoy by playing it professionally and making a living off of it.
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Soldato
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Just blindly following any 1-base aggression build (4 gate, roach rush, bane bust, banshees, even hellion expand to roast drones) and constantly improving your execution will get you easily into plat, even if sometimes your build is incompatible with theirs and you lose a few.
Scouting while improving your macro is tough and most players at that level won't know how to react then execute a defense anyway (forcefield ramp to split marines/ff to block retreat etc).
You might want to try something like this http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2_Rax_Pressure_(TvP) which hits at around 6 mins with something like 8 marines 2 marauder and concussive and can easily win the game right then and it isn't an economic or zero-tech all-in.
Just uploaded Stephano's latest replay pack if anyone want's it.
http://hotfile.com/dl/142520178/9ea2593/ReplayPack_Korea.zip.html
http://hotfile.com/dl/142520178/9ea2593/ReplayPack_Korea.zip.html
Watching Stephano's zvp is always a blessing. I am awful against a decent toss.
Just played a Terran in 1v1 (I'm Protoss). He did a fairly common Banshee opening, I'd scouted it so it ended up being useless. I got an expansion up pretty early, saw he was going into Tank, Marine, Medivac so I got some Immortals, Blink Stalkers and teched towards High Templar.
He turtled in his base and built so many turrets and siege tanks to prevent me from getting in at all, especially seemed to want my observers out of there as he scanned every one that got near, so my game was basically to deny him expanding further than his natural and eventually he'll be mined out. I knew he couldn't expand so I just waited him out. I did suspect something was up as he so clearly didn't want me to see what was going on in there, but I just couldn't envisage anything he could do would be able to give him the upper hand.
Suddenly there were 10 Battlecruisers in my base, and I realised I've actually never had to play against Battlecruisers on ladder, and as such have never had to try to counter them. I assumed my Blink Stalkers and feedback from Templars would clean them up, but I was completely wrong. The feedback was helpful, but nothing else seemed to take their health down much at all. He ended up getting enough time to expand twice and continued to pump them out from 4 Starports, building no ground units at all for the second half of the game. In hindsight I probably should've switched to Void Rays, but I had no air upgrades, 3/3/3 ground upgrades and he did enough damage with his first Battlecruiser attack to damage my economy too much for me to switch from my 15 gateways to a load of Stargates.
So all I have to say is: why on earth are Battlecruisers so rare? They were an absolute nightmare to deal with and ended up losing me a game I was so on top of. The element of surprise of course played it's part, but for me to lose most of my army so convincingly against one of inferior supply, there has to be something there, right?
He turtled in his base and built so many turrets and siege tanks to prevent me from getting in at all, especially seemed to want my observers out of there as he scanned every one that got near, so my game was basically to deny him expanding further than his natural and eventually he'll be mined out. I knew he couldn't expand so I just waited him out. I did suspect something was up as he so clearly didn't want me to see what was going on in there, but I just couldn't envisage anything he could do would be able to give him the upper hand.
Suddenly there were 10 Battlecruisers in my base, and I realised I've actually never had to play against Battlecruisers on ladder, and as such have never had to try to counter them. I assumed my Blink Stalkers and feedback from Templars would clean them up, but I was completely wrong. The feedback was helpful, but nothing else seemed to take their health down much at all. He ended up getting enough time to expand twice and continued to pump them out from 4 Starports, building no ground units at all for the second half of the game. In hindsight I probably should've switched to Void Rays, but I had no air upgrades, 3/3/3 ground upgrades and he did enough damage with his first Battlecruiser attack to damage my economy too much for me to switch from my 15 gateways to a load of Stargates.
So all I have to say is: why on earth are Battlecruisers so rare? They were an absolute nightmare to deal with and ended up losing me a game I was so on top of. The element of surprise of course played it's part, but for me to lose most of my army so convincingly against one of inferior supply, there has to be something there, right?
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you could have sacrificed a few stalkers by blinking up a ledge to check it out what he was doing.
I play T, it takes SOOOO long to pump out a battlecruiser, to get 10 up you must have been outside for a long time. And LOTS of gas plus they are so slow. I used to rush them as a noob but once you get beat a few times by standard openings you realise its not really strong.
Also could you try to use Colossus to shoot up the ledge with a spotter warp prism i think its called.
I play T, it takes SOOOO long to pump out a battlecruiser, to get 10 up you must have been outside for a long time. And LOTS of gas plus they are so slow. I used to rush them as a noob but once you get beat a few times by standard openings you realise its not really strong.
Also could you try to use Colossus to shoot up the ledge with a spotter warp prism i think its called.
Funny enough, I used battlecruisers yesterday, went for a 15 expo TvT for fun, he went for some proxy rax and it failed, he then switched into 3factory tank, so i went for 2starport banshee marine and he switched to thor and mass missile turret, i ended up on like 6 bases with 15 bc's and yamato cannoning all his turrets and thors was awesome
was awesomeIf you'd scouted the bcruisers either being built, or on their way across the map you would have had time to prepare to kill them. And if he's given you the whole map you can expand anywhere and should be able to win a base race with your far superior ground army.
They're rare because if you turtle long enough to try and get to them, as T you've usually died from something before then. You do see them super late game TvT though when both sides switch to sky terran.
They're rare because if you turtle long enough to try and get to them, as T you've usually died from something before then. You do see them super late game TvT though when both sides switch to sky terran.
Or hallucinate a phoenix and fly in
he had a tonne of turrets though ^_^
Hmm, you missed my point a little - maybe I wasn't clear. I wasn't asking how I lost that particular match and what I should've done to win it. It's the first time I've played an opponent like that and I don't imagine one like him will come up again anytime soon.
All I was asking is why Battlecruisers are so rare when they seemed to do so well against a fairly decent army composition, only lacking maybe one of the units that counters them. In the late game is it really worth having 4 marauders instead of one? I play plenty of Terrans who seem to get units like Ravens and Banshees against me, as well as upgrades for vikings, so it just seems kind of odd that they're mostly a novelty unit at the moment.
All I was asking is why Battlecruisers are so rare when they seemed to do so well against a fairly decent army composition, only lacking maybe one of the units that counters them. In the late game is it really worth having 4 marauders instead of one? I play plenty of Terrans who seem to get units like Ravens and Banshees against me, as well as upgrades for vikings, so it just seems kind of odd that they're mostly a novelty unit at the moment.
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