Don
And it's up to the prosecution to prove that is the case. Innocent until proven guilty and all thatI am sure from now on that anyone shot in in SA will be an intruder
Oscar Pistorius thread
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Soldato
Its been mentioned in here already but I can see the Chewbacca Defense being used here.
Caporegime
Interesting bail conditions so basically he cant really do sweet FA, those are pretty harsh conditions but at least he cannot do a runner.
Caporegime
And it's up to the prosecution to prove that is the case. Innocent until proven guilty and all that
He is guilty of killing someone, that much is certain. Whether or not he pre-meditated the killing is what needs to be proven or unproven at trial.
You need to be careful in talking about black/white in relation to South Africa...
Ba-dum-tish
So someone breaks into your house with a sword.. You two fight you disarm him and punch him, he falls down and dies.
And you'll be happy to stay in prison until the trial
Soldato
What will be interesting to see and find out is what exactly is his conditions of bail ie will he have to surrender his passport and could he be placed under house arrest or something similar to that.
What i found disgusting was once the verdict was read out, his brother shouted out yes. Sorry but i found that in very bad taste, sure your happy that hes been released but spare a ****ing thought for his dead gf's family you muppet. Secondly either way, your brother killed someone either in a rage fit or in an accident so regardless hes killed someone and that is something i could never find reason to celebrate if it was my family member.
He's said he will surrender his passport, but don't think so regarding house arrest.
Agree we the verdict here. It's a bail hearing and I don't feel he is a flight risk. Also the prosecution was weak in proving its point.
Seems he will have to buy a new house in Pretoria, stay with relatives, or something. He can still train, which I suspect is one of the main things for him.
kd
Not returning to his home is an interesting one.
I would assume they haven't finished the investigation there, plus it would certainly put him in a position to influence or intimidate witnesses. Who are the Stander family though?
I would think he would go and stay with family. I wonder whether they live in a similar gated community, as that kind of thing would stop press turning up outside his house. You know full well he is going to be papped where ever he goes until the trial.
I would assume they haven't finished the investigation there, plus it would certainly put him in a position to influence or intimidate witnesses. Who are the Stander family though?
I would think he would go and stay with family. I wonder whether they live in a similar gated community, as that kind of thing would stop press turning up outside his house. You know full well he is going to be papped where ever he goes until the trial.
She had a sword now!?
Exactly. Why do people keep saying that he might be innocent?
He KILLED his girlfriend and that is fact. She went up the chimney this week and he will be out running next week. That is a joke to me as the only thing up for discussion is whether he gets 15 years or life. Inbetween the time he gets a fair trial he should be locked up as there is still a risk that he is a nutter and shot her dead intently.
Innocent of what?
If it wasn't in any way premeditated I don't think he'll get any jail time :/
Unless you are right. Does an accidental killing in SA get you 15 years?
He shot his girlfriend dead, not an intruder with a sword.
Shouldn't make a difference as to whether bail is granted or the defendant is held in custody.
Caporegime
Silly example is silly as no one broke into his house
As for me?? if it was proved that i was a danger to the public and could abscond from the country then yes id be happy to stay in prison till my trial date.
Fact is none of the above was proved so he was let out on bail with conditions.
Caporegime
LOL seriously your getting too emotional over this. Do you honestly believe that if the judge thought he was a nutter to the public then he would have given him bail??..of course not, this isnt the trial, this was just a bail hearing and so far the judge could not see any reason as to why he shouldnt get bail.
Its really as simple as that.
The problem is that the prosecution have gone down the route of premeditated homicide (rather than culpable). Murder rather than manslaughter. So the judge had to consider bail on the basis of the charges laid. The judge will have considered numerous factors - first and foremost whether the evidence presented was sufficient, under a balance of probabilty, that OP would be convicted of the charge laid. The prosecution was not able to present the evidence to satisfy this - for a variety of reasons. Moving on from there the judge will have considered whether he was a flight risk, whether there was a risk of violence towards others and whether granting bail would create public outrage. The prosecution did not do enough to prove any of these to be valid so the judge will have had little choice other than to grant bail mostly due to the incompetence of the investigative team.
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I can't even go there
if he walks that will be a travesty. The court room cheering as he gets temporary freedom. Whatever next!
Do people really not value life? Reeva was a young woman who had possibly another 50-60 years of life ahead of her. Think of all the experiences his actions (whether premeditated or not) have robbed her of.
Next we will have the religious lot saying don't worry she has gone somewhere better, although they never seem to be in a hurry to get there.
To me it just seems to be a lack of respect for life to be honest. I am usually very laid back.