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[doyll]

Thanks will have a look.

Do you know what the evolve case is like?

And is the Grizzly Thermal paste better than the NHT stuff you get with the Noctua?

Which Evolv case?
Better yes, a little .. but harder to use. The NHT is very good with the difference being a max of 1-2c. Making sure cooler is getting air at or near room temp makes way more difference than which TIM is used. Here's a guide to case airflow and optimizing it. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-i-put-my-temp-sensor.18564223/#post-26159770

 

[greenbrucelee]

the phanteks one.

 

[doyll]

the phanteks one.

LOL. Phanteks makes 3 of them Evolv ATX, Evolv mATX and Evolv ITX .. plus tempered glass and different colors.
All are nice cases. I have ATX and mATX TG Anthrasite color. They are much harder to get good airflow in, but it's do-able.

 

[greenbrucelee]

I meant the ATX one

 

[greenbrucelee]

@doyll I think i will still go for the fractle r6 and use the fan setup you suggested earlier. But I was wondering how would the setup be if i used noctua fans instead the phantek ones? Or perhaps the chromax fans. As i would like to keep it quiet but will sacrifice for cooling if i have to. What do you think?

 

[doyll]

@doyll I think i will still go for the fractle r6 and use the fan setup you suggested earlier. But I was wondering how would the setup be if i used noctua fans instead the phantek ones? Or perhaps the chromax fans. As i would like to keep it quiet but will sacrifice for cooling if i have to. What do you think?

Depends on what model fan you choose. Some Noctua are good, some are not. Probably the best performance to noise fan right now is be quiet! Silent Wings 3.

 

[greenbrucelee]

Depends on what model fan you choose. Some Noctua are good, some are not. Probably the best performance to noise fan right now is be quiet! Silent Wings 3.

NF-A14 is the the noctua ones I was thinking of.One silly question I had is, I have never had a case with a door on it before. Is it best to open the door when gaming or pushing the system or is the ventilation good enough?

And cheers for your help.

 

[doyll]

NF-A14 is the the noctua ones I was thinking of.One silly question I had is, I have never had a case with a door on it before. Is it best to open the door when gaming or pushing the system or is the ventilation good enough?

And cheers for your help.

NF-A14 are good and quite expensive in black. be quiet! Silent Wings 3 are I think better and lower priced. Too bad we can't get TY-147A SQ. Thermalright T:Y& series are my go to fans when available.

There have been a few times I opened the door on front door cases but it's rarely needed with good fans. Last time I did it was last summer when super hot and doing a lot of encoding and with door open fans were not as loud. The only case I have with door that opens to allow less restricted airflow is my old Define R2 modified to 140mm fans. My Enthoo Luxe is just 2x front & 1x bottom intake w/ PH-F140SPs, later changed to TY-147A SQ fans. Enthoo Primo is SP fans. Enthoo Evolv ATX is MP fans. Enthoo Evolv mATX is MP fans Nanoxia is 120mm XP fans and Lian Li has GTs in it.

 

[greenbrucelee]

NF-A14 are good and quite expensive in black. be quiet! Silent Wings 3 are I think better and lower priced. Too bad we can't get TY-147A SQ. Thermalright T:Y& series are my go to fans when available.

There have been a few times I opened the door on front door cases but it's rarely needed with good fans. Last time I did it was last summer when super hot and doing a lot of encoding and with door open fans were not as loud. The only case I have with door that opens to allow less restricted airflow is my old Define R2 modified to 140mm fans. My Enthoo Luxe is just 2x front & 1x bottom intake w/ PH-F140SPs, later changed to TY-147A SQ fans. Enthoo Primo is SP fans. Enthoo Evolv ATX is MP fans. Enthoo Evolv mATX is MP fans Nanoxia is 120mm XP fans and Lian Li has GTs in it.

I might get the silent wings then should I get 4 120mm or 140?

 

[doyll]

I might get the silent wings then should I get 4 120mm or 140?

'Go away kid, your drawing fans' Sorry, couldn't resist.

It takes 3x 120mm fans to give similar airflow as 2x 140mm fans .. and usually at slightly higher noise levels. I use 140mm fans whenever possible. Well, there are some cases that will take 3x 120mm or 2x 140mm fans that the 120mm mounting blocks 140mm fan airflow (not an uncommon problem), so if I'm not cutting out the 120mm mounts I will use 120mm fans.

There are so many variables involved here I can't say exactly what is best without locking down all the variables.

 

[greenbrucelee]

'Go away kid, your drawing fans' Sorry, couldn't resist.

It takes 3x 120mm fans to give similar airflow as 2x 140mm fans .. and usually at slightly higher noise levels. I use 140mm fans whenever possible. Well, there are some cases that will take 3x 120mm or 2x 140mm fans that the 120mm mounting blocks 140mm fan airflow (not an uncommon problem), so if I'm not cutting out the 120mm mounts I will use 120mm fans.

There are so many variables involved here I can't say exactly what is best without locking down all the variables.

I will work it out but i will replace the two fronts and use the bottom fan mounts for intakes and see how it goes

 

[greenbrucelee]

Would two 140s front and bottom (intake) two 140 top and one rear(exhaust) along with the NH-15 be too much?

 

[doyll]

Would two 140s front and bottom (intake) two 140 top and one rear(exhaust) along with the NH-15 be too much?

What 2 140 front intakes?

What bottom intake?

Top exhaust is not a good thing 99.99999999% of the time. It pulls heated air up from GPU around CPU while pulling the cool air coming in the front up and out the top too.

The absolute positively very best way is front to back airflow with no side or top fans.

Have enough cool air enter case from front (and bottom if needed) to keep the front half of case all cool air with it pushing straight on back to back venting (this is why I say remove all PCIe back slot covers) and pushing the heated exhaust coming off of GPU and CPU on back and out of case.

 

[greenbrucelee]

What 2 140 front intakes?

What bottom intake?

Top exhaust is not a good thing 99.99999999% of the time. It pulls heated air up from GPU around CPU while pulling the cool air coming in the front up and out the top too.

The absolute positively very best way is front to back airflow with no side or top fans.

Have enough cool air enter case from front (and bottom if needed) to keep the front half of case all cool air with it pushing straight on back to back venting (this is why I say remove all PCIe back slot covers) and pushing the heated exhaust coming off of GPU and CPU on back and out of case.

So i will use the silent wings 3 140mm should I remove the top fan and just go front to back or use bottom intake too?

 

[doyll]

So i will use the silent wings 3 140mm should I remove the top fan and just go front to back or use bottom intake too?

Just to make sure I've got it right, Define R6 case, 2x Silent Wings 3 .. which speed? I suggest high speed, maybe use a PWM splitter or hub with PSU power and just idle them down some. To me 1000rpm is hardly enough, just barely fast enough when everything is good .. but not fast enough in really hot weather while gaming and encoding some videos to watch on a trip .. especially if filters are a little dirty.

NH-D15

No PCIe slot covers.

What GPU are you planning to use?

What bottom fan? If front and bottom are all same fans you don't have to worry about front fans building more pressure than bottom one and stopping bottom from flowing air into case.

Are you going to raise case up on blocks or a castor base?

Get a good quality PSU .. not a place to cut corners and have it fail and take out motherboard, GPU, CPU etc all in one blow.

 

[greenbrucelee]

Just to make sure I've got it right, Define R6 case, 2x Silent Wings 3 .. which speed? I suggest high speed, maybe use a PWM splitter or hub with PSU power and just idle them down some. To me 1000rpm is hardly enough, just barely fast enough when everything is good .. but not fast enough in really hot weather while gaming and encoding some videos to watch on a trip .. especially if filters are a little dirty.

NH-D15

No PCIe slot covers.

What GPU are you planning to use?

What bottom fan? If front and bottom are all same fans you don't have to worry about front fans building more pressure than bottom one and stopping bottom from flowing air into case.

Are you going to raise case up on blocks or a castor base?

Get a good quality PSU .. not a place to cut corners and have it fail and take out motherboard, GPU, CPU etc all in one blow.

I will be using a 1080ti probably asus a seasonic 750w psu (might go 800w+)will use silent wings all round high speed pwm, no pci e covers, remove top fan, nh-d15

 

[chrcoluk]

the problem with these pre binned chips is they seem to be binned at silly high voltages like 1.4+, so the temps would be pretty insane on a HTT chip at those voltages.

I think most CL chips could do 5ghz at 1.4v, even poorly binned ones, so I am not convinced personally of the merit of buying a 5ghz binned chip at 1.4v.

Before I get myself in trouble, I know I dont have 100s of chips in front of me to confirm my claim of "most chips could probably do 5ghz at 1.4 or higher"

I do understand OCUK's stance tho, whatever the merits of these binned chips, if they selling the system with a chip running to a particular heat profile, they will want to make sure that out of the box its running at parameters they are prepared to support with warranty.

 

[doyll]

I will be using a 1080ti probably asus a seasonic 750w psu (might go 800w+)will use silent wings all round high speed pwm, no pci e covers, remove top fan, nh-d15

Does that mean you've almost got it figured out?

Most buyers buy higher wattage PSUs than they will ever use. The primary power users are CPU and GPU .. say 200 watts each, maybe 250 watt max for one. That's 500 watts plus say 100-150 watts for fans, lights, USB & etc. and we at at 650 watts. That's a long way below 800 watt.

Seriously, I don't mind brainstorming your build with you, but sometimes I'm not in a position to to research or write a long detailed reply. Sometimes I don't even look as posts for 10-12 hours.

 

[greenbrucelee]

Does that mean you've almost got it figured out?

Most buyers buy higher wattage PSUs than they will ever use. The primary power users are CPU and GPU .. say 200 watts each, maybe 250 watt max for one. That's 500 watts plus say 100-150 watts for fans, lights, USB & etc. and we at at 650 watts. That's a long way below 800 watt.

Seriously, I don't mind brainstorming your build with you, but sometimes I'm not in a position to to research or write a long detailed reply. Sometimes I don't even look as posts for 10-12 hours.

Ii will go 750w i always prefer to add atleast 30% to what i really need i will be using a hero x mobo a nvme drive an ssd and normal drive

 

[greenbrucelee]

the problem with these pre binned chips is they seem to be binned at silly high voltages like 1.4+, so the temps would be pretty insane on a HTT chip at those voltages.

I think most CL chips could do 5ghz at 1.4v, even poorly binned ones, so I am not convinced personally of the merit of buying a 5ghz binned chip at 1.4v.

Before I get myself in trouble, I know I dont have 100s of chips in front of me to confirm my claim of "most chips could probably do 5ghz at 1.4 or higher"

I do understand OCUK's stance tho, whatever the merits of these binned chips, if they selling the system with a chip running to a particular heat profile, they will want to make sure that out of the box its running at parameters they are prepared to support with warranty.

I am not sure yet if I will get a binned one. I might just play the lottery and get a standard one.