P & O Ferries

Not surprised with the methods. The last time staff were made redundant the boats were damaged as staff left. Cement was poured down the toilets, etc.

I wouldn't have been surprised if some of the crew made off with a ship and scuttled it.
 
I'd like to know the numbers but the unions would never have gone with it, it has to be significantly less if they are willing to do this and pay enhanced redundancy then move to agency or whatever.

For sure, bear in mind agencies have decent margins, so for it to be profitable on a agency must mean the actual salary (and benefits?) is a huge cut.
 
For sure, bear in mind agencies have decent margins, so for it to be profitable on a agency must mean the actual salary (and benefits?) is a huge cut.

Those agencies are probably linked to P&O in some way or another, off-setting the costs and the tax liabilities. It's the tory way.
 
They aren't employed in the UK, P&O staff were legally employed in Jersey (and no idea where the agency will be operating from).

Young (ish), MP with a constituency in Kent on TV news last night was up in arms about the situation, saying that he found it hard to believe that it was legal, that would have to be researched, and if it was legal then Parliament needed to bring in an Act to make it illegal.
If I was one of P & O’s workers who’d been let go I’d have been cheered by his words.
Then today we hear that the workers contracts were negotiated under the laws of Jersey, and apparently the British Government have no say in Jersey law, so it would seem to be a fait accompli, and the workers have to bite the bullet.
All those people saying that they they’ll boycott P & O are wasting their time, P & O won’t care, like most ferry companies they make most of their money from freight, not John Doe and his family taking their car to The Dordogne.
Years ago I worked for a transport firm in Wapping, E. London, and we’d regularly take engineering plant from London to the French steelworks in Longwy, going via Dover to Calais.
One day the manager said, “Change of plans, you’re going to Longwy, but you’re going Newhaven to Dieppe.”
When I said that that was an extra 60-65 km, he said, “Maybe it is, but the Newhaven ferry is giving us a better rate.”
 
Genuine question but how did Brexit make the P&O situation possible or more likely?

p&o have stated one of the reasons for the losses is the increased cost of the paperwork due to brexit and the drop in goods using their ferries as goods go straight to Eire instead of the UK. Again due to Brexit.

And lastly its only UK workers who were sacked. EU workers werent as they are protected under EU employment law
 
p&o have stated one of the reasons for the losses is the increased cost of the paperwork due to brexit and the drop in goods using their ferries as goods go straight to Eire instead of the UK. Again due to Brexit.

And lastly its only UK workers who were sacked. EU workers werent as they are protected under EU employment law

This is being investigated for breaches in UK employment law. There has to be a consultation period before redundancies, I'm sure it's something like 90 days.
Mind you I can see it from the company side too, these people have insanely beneficial contracts.
 
p&o have stated one of the reasons for the losses is the increased cost of the paperwork due to brexit and the drop in goods using their ferries as goods go straight to Eire instead of the UK. Again due to Brexit.
That makes sense.

And lastly its only UK workers who were sacked. EU workers werent as they are protected under EU employment law
But I wasn't aware that employment law for the UK had diverged already. When did that happen?
 
I wonder if there's a way the gov can get back the £10 million in furlough payments.
P & O must have been planning this for months.
 
It was just a question about something I'd seen reported but not looked into, calm your jets! :D

Then lets try not to spread misinformation then by making statements up.

Eh?

it might have since been debunked, but it was reported. Now you could just correct it, or point out the updated information. There isn't actually any requirement to be weirdly aggressive about it.
 
P&O cruises are obviously concerned this fallout could affect them. Just got this from them.

As Britain’s favourite cruise line, your loyalty, advocacy and support has always meant the world to us. P&O Cruises has been part of Carnival Corporation & plc for over 20 years and has no connection to P&O Ferries. Our thoughts go out to all those affected by yesterday’s news. However, please be assured it’s business as usual on our cruises and our crew look forward to welcoming you on board soon.
 
Eh?

it might have since been debunked, but it was reported. Now you could just correct it, or point out the updated information. There isn't actually any requirement to be weirdly aggressive about it.

No it wasn't reported like you phrased it.

No debunking needed.

BBC article mentioned earlier that's exactly what they're looking at.

I doubt they can. I think it was clear across the economy that furlough payments was simply delaying the inevitable in a lot of sectors. These people would have been made redundant 2 years ago when no one was taking cruises. I bet P&O with hindsight regret not just doing it then.
 
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