Paris attacks.

[RaohNS]

I don't think this thread is worth it any more to be honest.

one side tries to justify the fact that its been 8 people out of x tens of thousands so not to tar the all with the same brush and cannot make ends meet from this

the other side puts hard evidence proving Islam is not a peaceful religion and one side cannot accept or see the obvious that is right in front of their faces

The solution is right in the middle of both points and it will involve a tough decision. In my opinion the solution is to follow the Japanese mantra where "white guilt" brought on by the idea of an extremist liberalism is as dangerous to an identity as those who are blowing stuff up. I'm all ears for a truly better system but whatever solution will fall into one of the two views above

 

[Tunney]

Jeremy Corbyn
"[It is a] terrible situation for the people that were there, and we have to send our support and sympathy to all of the people in Paris. They are, like London, like so many cities around the world, vibrant, multi-faith, multicultural societies. This is an attack on all of us that stand for the kind of fair and inclusive societies that we want to all live in"

WTF you moronic proto-commie, I do not want to live in your despotic socialist vision of enforced diversity.

Don't worry, ISIS are as much against multicultural societies as you are.

 

[the wopster]

promote change in people and protect vulnerable children form harm

oh and I am not sure you meant to use an exclamation mark, its called a question mark when you ask a question in a sentence

So nothing for your country then, and you have the cheek to ask if my service was done with a keyboard.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Problem is ISIS was formed by people with extensive military experience well read in military history (not sure how many are still alive/involved now) sculpted on tactics perfected by the long range desert group and others (who were successful for a reason) meaning they can operate effectively outnumbered, stay mobile and very hard to pin down.

IMO To comprehensively beat them you need the intel to take out the experienced operators at the top of the chain of command combined with surgical special forces operations backed up by solid air support to prevent them becoming overwhelmed if they do run into serious opposition combined with a sizeable regular army to maintain perimeters as required. No amount of aerial bombing alone will ever defeat ISIS.

I would doubt very much that air strikes are the only weapon used. They'll be things going on that we will never get to hear about.

 

[Phage]

Surely we just have to recognise that they are the new Blackshirts. This time they're hiding behind religion, but the intolerance and evil is unchanged. It is wholly unconnected with their purported faith.

I'm afraid that we may need to remember the lessons of 1939.

 

[Raz]

Surely we just have to recognise that they are the new Blackshirts. This time they're hiding behind religion, but the intolerance and evil is unchanged. It is wholly unconnected with their purported faith.

I'm afraid that we may need to remember the lessons of 1939.

We're very good at ignoring pretty much all of history and the lessons of the past.

 

[Diddums]

Bloody hell, derailment as well?

Those poor French.

Be strong people.

 

[Lightnix]

It does strike me as odd that the drones they're using seem to be incapable of sending back identifying information about their targets. Seems like they have a long way to go before anyone wins any wars using them.

 

[bitslice]

what he said was right? normal every day people from all cultures are outraged by the act of a minority group of muslims, including other muslims. the world is smaller now due to travel and technology and thats why we all live in a multicultural society, one day there will be a one world nation, why people let being inclusive of other cultures upset them is beyond me

He implied that we all want to live in a multi-faith, multicultural society.
Sorry no I don't.

I'm happy to accept cultures that fit in with mine, which is 100% of Europe.
I'm happy for every Jew on Earth to come and live here.

But what he wants is open borders to a lot of people that fundamentally are not able to coexist anywhere but in their own countries.

Basically he is sucking up to a bunch of poor disaffected minorities who he hopes will auto-vote Labour and shoe him into power, and **** what the rest of the UK want.

 

[Raz]

Edit - see below post

 

[qqg3]

147 dead in Kenya

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-32169080

That was in April by the way.

 

[Rroff]

I would doubt very much that air strikes are the only weapon used. They'll be things going on that we will never get to hear about.

Yup - we are very much in the phase of selective strikes and intelligence gathering and a long way from the end result.

It does strike me as odd that the drones they're using seem to be incapable of sending back identifying information about their targets. Seems like they have a long way to go before anyone wins any wars using them.

You still need someone on the ground really - there is a limit to what they can do technology and feasibility wise - drones are an excellent tool when used with the right information.

 

[Malevolence]

All over the news that one of the attackers was registered as a refugee last month.

And so it begins...

 

[Judgeneo]

I'm all for stepping up efforts against ISIS, but I don't want to see a bunch more bombings and funding of "moderate" rebels, and bull**** arguing about whether assad does, or does not remain in power.

The whole place is a mess. No one can agree on which group would be a good leader. So, how about none of them?

If we are to step up military action. Go the whole hog, invite Russia, middle eastern and Asian powers to join us. Wipe out ISIS completely. Set up our own governance in the region, every nation that contributes to the fight gets a place in this governance. Over time the local populace becomes more involved in leading the country, and eventually autonomy is granted.

 

[SciNeT]

147 dead in Kenya

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-32169080

Haven't clicked the link, religion of peace again? Wild stab in the dark.

 

[Raz]

Haven't clicked the link, religion of peace again? Wild stab in the dark.

I didn't realise I actually posted that, its from earlier this year. Doh!

 

[NexusK]

Haven't clicked the link, religion of peace again? Wild stab in the dark.

Al-qaeda offshoot. Rounded up christians and shot them.

 

[Diddums]

Haven't clicked the link, religion of peace again? Wild stab in the dark.

Well, it was back in April, when the article was posted.

 

[Raz]

He implied that we all want to live in a multi-faith, multicultural society.
Sorry no I don't.

I'm happy to accept cultures that fit in with mine, which is 100% of Europe.
I'm happy for every Jew on Earth to come and live here.

So much confusion right there that I'm going to call it quits and just have some tea.

 

[qqg3]

I'm all for stepping up efforts against ISIS, but I don't want to see a bunch more bombings and funding of "moderate" rebels, and bull**** arguing about whether assad does, or does not remain in power.

The whole place is a mess. No one can agree on which group would be a good leader. So, how about none of them?

If we are to step up military action. Go the whole hog, invite Russia, middle eastern and Asian powers to join us. Wipe out ISIS completely. Set up our own governance in the region, every nation that contributes to the fight gets a place in this governance. Over time the local populace becomes more involved in leading the country, and eventually autonomy is granted.

Pretty sure this been tried in a variety of places by a variety of people/countries throughout history. It never ends well.