Pattern on new 12900K IHS

[LePhuronn]

ocuk make no secret that they bin cpu's and sell the low clockers as OEM, and high clockers as pre binned overclockers

No, they've said repeatedly that this is not the case. The tray CPUs that fail the binning test go into pre-built systems, and any customer returns as poor clockers are sold as B-grade stock.

In any event, as others have said, that CPU has been used at some point so it should be returned.

 

[Aretak]

No, they've said repeatedly that this is not the case. The tray CPUs that fail the binning test go into pre-built systems, and any customer returns as poor clockers are sold as B-grade stock.

In any event, as others have said, that CPU has been used at some point so it should be returned.

It really doesn't matter what they say when there's photographic evidence in this thread of someone receiving a used/binned CPU. Clearly it was either never true or practices have changed. I'm sure the PR response would be that it's a one-off mistake though.

 

[humbug]

Thanks for all these fast replies. In light of deciding whether it has been used or not, I have taken a couple more photos. Let me know what you think. I've never had an LGA1700 chip before, so I'm not sure how big the markings would be, once it has been in a socket. If these images aren't clear enough, I'll try again - let me know.
I am grateful for the advice.
Steve

That's been used, you can see the marks on the pads.

 

[humbug]

Thanks for the comments. In answer to the questions:
- It was bought from OcUK
- Yes it is OEM. OEM are generally items bought in bulk, split up, then supplied individually in non-retail packaging. To me at least, it should not mean inferior product, just no shiny packaging.

So I spoke to Overclockers and they said that they do bin some chips, when a customer asks for some particularly good chips. But that this is not common and so the vast majority of OEM chips that they supply are not pre-binned. But given that my chip has some marks on it that you guys do not have on your retail chips, I am going to assume that my chip DID go through the rare binning process and that it did not make the grade - if this is the case then my chip has no chance of being a great OC'er. I asked to RMA the chip, and OcUK said yes without any quibble. So I am just posting here, to kind of finish off the thread.

Thank you everyone for your comments that helped me come to this decision. I'll get a retail chip instead. My eyes are now open!

Steve

Good move, there is a reason they are in a white box with some foam, just spend the £20 or whatever poultry amount it is vs the overall cost and know what you're getting when it comes in the security sealed retail box

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

its a white box CPU, so yes its been tested/bined then sold on.
white box or OEM are not the same as retail, i assume you got it at reduced cost

Not true, all OEMs are not pre-binned.

My OEM had never been installed.

The OPs has.

 

[Wing-Man]

Good move, there is a reason they are in a white box with some foam, just spend the £20 or whatever poultry amount it is vs the overall cost and know what you're getting when it comes in the security sealed retail box

yep the saving over OEM just isn't worth it, also remember OEM only as 12 months warranty

No, they've said repeatedly that this is not the case. The tray CPUs that fail the binning test go into pre-built systems, and any customer returns as poor clockers are sold as B-grade stock.

In any event, as others have said, that CPU has been used at some point so it should be returned.

and yet if you look you can see the OP was told by OcUK they do bin cpu's

Not true, all OEMs are not pre-binned.

My OEM had never been installed.
The OPs has.

i dont understand your point?


as said here...

So I spoke to Overclockers and they said that they do bin some chips, when a customer asks for some particularly good chips. But that this is not common and so the vast majority of OEM chips that they supply are not pre-binned. But given that my chip has some marks on it that you guys do not have on your retail chips,

OcUK do sell pre binned CPU's fact.
where do pre binned CPU's come from OcUK have said there self by binning OEM chip's
not all chips get binned there my be a few good batch codes so that pull them from the OWM pile and bin them.
Lets not be stupid here, Do you think any shop pulls a £400to£800 CPU bin's it the sells as B-Grade for a loss because it wasn't a good clocker.

 

[Stanners]

yep the saving over OEM just isn't worth it, also remember OEM only as 12 months warranty


and yet if you look you can see the OP was told by OcUK they do bin cpu's


i dont understand your point?


as said here...



OcUK do sell pre binned CPU's fact.
where do pre binned CPU's come from OcUK have said there self by binning OEM chip's
not all chips get binned there my be a few good batch codes so that pull them from the OWM pile and bin them.
Lets not be stupid here, Do you think any shop pulls a £400to£800 CPU bin's it the sells as B-Grade for a loss because it wasn't a good clocker.

You are sort of masking yourself look stupid, the proccess of binning/OEM chips has been explained numerous times by @Gibbo.

OP, I would return it if you are not happy.

Edit: Also to add, OCUK do not sell speed binned 12900k's to my knowledge at the moment.

 

[clone]

And oem warranty is 3 years.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

yep the saving over OEM just isn't worth it, also remember OEM only as 12 months warranty

You continue to post rubbish without checking your facts. OEMs come with a 3 year warranty exactly the same as the full retail versions.

and yet if you look you can see the OP was told by OcUK they do bin cpu's

i dont understand your point?

My point was clear. You said all OEM CPUs are binned, they are not so you were wrong.

as said here...

OcUK do sell pre binned CPU's fact

*where do pre binned CPU's come from OcUK have said there self by binning OEM chip's

not all chips get binned there my be a few good batch codes so that pull them from the OWM pile and bin them.

Again making rubbish up about good batch codes

Lets not be stupid here, Do you think any shop pulls a £400to£800 CPU bin's it the sells as B-Grade for a loss because it wasn't a good clocker.

You seem to have an axe to grind but posting nonsense and making rubbish up isn't the way forward.

Did OCs hurt you in some way? You only just joined on 30th Dec. Come on, tell us how they hurt you, this is a safe space.

 

[Wing-Man]

You seem to have an axe to grind but posting nonsense and making rubbish up isn't the way forward.

Did OCs hurt you in some way? You only just joined on 30th Dec. Come on, tell us how they hurt you, this is a safe space.

no am all good, happy customer thats never had a problem.
im just not stupid. you may also notice i didnt target OcUK i said any shop.

you answer the question, you own a shop that sells cpu's. you get 40 OEM chips and bin 20 of them, out of that 20 6 are good clockers.
do you now sell 14 cpu's at a loss? or do you wipe the top and put them back in the tray.

Remember Boris said he never had a party, And overclockers customer support said to the OP

So I spoke to Overclockers and they said that they do bin some chips,

this will be my last post in this thread

 

[the wopster]

No, they've said repeatedly that this is not the case. The tray CPUs that fail the binning test go into pre-built systems, and any customer returns as poor clockers are sold as B-grade stock.

In any event, as others have said, that CPU has been used at some point so it should be returned.

Well that’s clearly not the case, the OPs chip has clearly been tested and didn’t make the grade and then was sold as new, that’s a massive no-no and close to if not illegal

 

[LePhuronn]

Well that’s clearly not the case, the OPs chip has clearly been tested and didn’t make the grade and then was sold as new, that’s a massive no-no and close to if not illegal

By claiming a near illegal act you are skating on very thin ice. You literally have no evidence, beyond circumstantial, to make the accusation OcUK used the CPU and resold as new, and as a result you are just mudslinging.

Tray CPUs are just that; they come in a tray. There are plenty of fingers in the pie before they even get to OcUK, and its entirely possible somebody further up the chain has swapped something out, mispacked, or there's even some kind of defect on the IHS that looks like previous use. Furthermore, this could be a return that's gotten mixed up with new tray stock. That is a mistake, not an conscious, illegal act.

It's all irrelevant though since all the OP needs to do is fire up a ticket and say "yo, I bought a new OEM CPU from you guys and it's been clearly used. Replacement or refund please" and there's literally no issue. But if you want to discuss the circumstances and the ramifications of the event, then start a new thread or go complain to OcUK.

Do you want @Gibbo to explain again how their binning works? You could always fire your accusations of illegal resale at him directly if you want.

 

[the wopster]

By claiming a near illegal act you are skating on very thin ice. You literally have no evidence, beyond circumstantial, to make the accusation OcUK used the CPU and resold as new, and as a result you are just mudslinging.

Tray CPUs are just that; they come in a tray. There are plenty of fingers in the pie before they even get to OcUK, and its entirely possible somebody further up the chain has swapped something out, mispacked, or there's even some kind of defect on the IHS that looks like previous use. Furthermore, this could be a return that's gotten mixed up with new tray stock. That is a mistake, not an conscious, illegal act.

It's all irrelevant though since all the OP needs to do is fire up a ticket and say "yo, I bought a new OEM CPU from you guys and it's been clearly used. Replacement or refund please" and there's literally no issue. But if you want to discuss the circumstances and the ramifications of the event, then start a new thread or go complain to OcUK.

Do you want @Gibbo to explain again how their binning works? You could always fire your accusations of illegal resale at him directly if you want.

Can’t say I have ever seen somebody’s fingers make pin indentations on the bottom of a CPU pad like (I know there are some people out there with really skinny fingers but not that skinny) , that CPU has clearly been inserted into a socket and then for some reason or other found it’s way to be sold as new.
It’s an issue because you don’t know how many times in the past it has happened, everyone should have the chance at a good clocking CPU and the first think anyone would think on an OVERCLOCKERS forum is that chip has been tested and hasn’t made the grade.

 

[LePhuronn]

somebody’s fingers

Metaphorical fingers dude

 

[the wopster]

Metaphorical fingers dude

I know exactly what you were saying, smudges on an IHS is massively different to pin imprints, which would suggest the chip has been put into the socket of a motherboard

 

[Wing-Man]

Tbf it could have been a customer return... but lack of marks on the clamp points say it was dropped into a test rig and mounted with cooler pressure.
and just to balance things out it could have been the OP that tested it and made to story up i return a dud clocker. i mean this is not the most elaborate story ever is it

Metaphorical fingers dude

I know exactly what you were saying, smudges on an IHS is massively different to pin imprints, which would suggest the chip has been put into the socket of a motherboard

 

[Wing-Man]

Well that’s clearly not the case, the OPs chip has clearly been tested and didn’t make the grade and then was sold as new, that’s a massive no-no and close to if not illegal

It's not illegal, if the cpu holds the clocks Intel state its all good.
Asus have made manny official posts and even videos about binning GPU's for higher end cards.
What ocuk is is just the same.... and Intel do it too that's how they grade chip and decide whats a f/k/none k/t its all based on what the chip can do in testing

 

[FireTwo]

Not true, all OEMs are not pre-binned.

My OEM had never been installed.

The OPs has.

i don’t think they use the socket clamp as this marks it

 

[the wopster]

It's not illegal, if the cpu holds the clocks Intel state its all good.
Asus have made manny official posts and even videos about binning GPU's for higher end cards.
What ocuk is is just the same.... and Intel do it too that's how they grade chip and decide whats a f/k/none k/t its all based on what the chip can do in testing

It’s illegal to sell something as new when it’s been used

 

[FireTwo]

Tested for sub 1min prob still counts as new