Pattern on new 12900K IHS

the wopster · 23 Jan 2022 at 22:51

FireTwo said:
Tested for sub 1min prob still counts as new

No it doesn’t, if it’s been powered on it’s used

Wing-Man · 23 Jan 2022 at 23:42

woppy101 said:
It’s illegal to sell something as new when it’s been used

Testing is not using. Look up the law

the wopster · 24 Jan 2022 at 06:20

Wing-Man said:
Testing is not using. Look up the law

Yes a manufacturer can test an item, but a retailer can’t and then sell that item as new, which is what has most likely happened here, what your saying is like walking into Currys and buying a breadmaker for them to tell you “BTW we’ve tested it to make sure it makes bread ok” but it ok, it’s still new because we have only cooked 1 loaf of bread

JediFragger · 24 Jan 2022 at 12:11

Wing-Man said:
Look up the law

Vince · 24 Jan 2022 at 22:06

Looks like a tray cpu... that grid marking is from the tray most likely.

You can see the pattern on this pick of a tray.

When stacked on top of each other the pattern can inprint on the cpus in the tray below.

the wopster · 25 Jan 2022 at 06:45

Vince said:
Looks like a tray cpu... that grid marking is from the tray most likely.

You can see the pattern on this pick of a tray.

When stacked on top of each other the pattern can inprint on the cpus in the tray below.

Doesn’t explain the pin marks on the bottom of the chip

Vince · 25 Jan 2022 at 10:20

woppy101 said:
Doesn’t explain the pin marks on the bottom of the chip

I am clearly not seeing what you are seeing. With the top of the chip how many coolers have you pulled off that leave a perfect grid pattern :cry:

I've also had tray CPU's that looked exactly like this (including the underside) brand new fresh out of the factory. I would wager that it never got tested or even used at ocuk and that they are just pulling them out of a tray and sticking them in a box. To me it looks exactly like your typical OEM tray cpu.

subbytna · 25 Jan 2022 at 10:26

woppy101 said:
Doesn’t explain the pin marks on the bottom of the chip

I can't see what you mean? What marks? :confused:

the wopster · 25 Jan 2022 at 10:50

Vince said:
I am clearly not seeing what you are seeing. With the top of the chip how many coolers have you pulled off that leave a perfect grid pattern I've also had tray CPU's that looked exactly like this (including the underside) brand new fresh out of the factory. I would wager that it never got tested or even used at ocuk and that they are just pulling them out of a tray and sticking them in a box. To me it looks exactly like your typical OEM tray cpu.

subbytna said:
I can't see what you mean? What marks?

if you look on the second picture he posted of the bottom of the chip, you can seen the pin indentations in the centre of the pads

Vince · 25 Jan 2022 at 11:03

woppy101 said:
if you look on the second picture he posted of the bottom of the chip, you can seen the pin indentations in the centre of the pads

I'll be honest it doesn't look anything out of the ordinary for a tray cpu from experience - I mean it doesn't matter now as the OP has returned it but I'd bet it wasn't part of a binning process simply because it still has the tray imprint on it. A binned cpu just wouldn't have that.

LePhuronn · 25 Jan 2022 at 14:07

woppy101 said:
you can seen the pin indentations in the centre of the pads

Hang on, LGA sockets don't have pins in the traditional sense. The "pins" are flat springy copper things and not actually spiky. So how would a flat springy non-spiky copper thing apply enough force to indent a flat copper surface on the CPU?

Had a bent pin in my ITX board and recently started getting some weirdness so popped the CPU out to see if that pin was OK. Can't say I saw any indentations in the CPU and it's been installed for many years.

Vince · 25 Jan 2022 at 14:16

LePhuronn said:
Hang on, LGA sockets don't have pins in the traditional sense. The "pins" are flat springy copper things and not actually spiky. So how would a flat springy non-spiky copper thing apply enough force to indent a flat copper surface on the CPU?

Had a bent pin in my ITX board and recently started getting some weirdness so popped the CPU out to see if that pin was OK. Can't say I saw any indentations in the CPU and it's been installed for many years.

Here is a cpu that's been socketed for a year or more... you tell me :cry:

Put simply I suspect people in this thread saying its a "used" chip are wrong - It's an OEM tray chip... That's what it is.

Here is a selection of those pads under 1200x magnification:

the wopster · 25 Jan 2022 at 14:41

Vince said:
Here is a cpu that's been socketed for a year or more... you tell me

Put simply I suspect people in this thread saying its a "used" chip are wrong - It's an OEM tray chip... That's what it is.

Here is a selection of those pads under 1200x magnification:

I can see the indentation marks on most of those pads
https://imgur.com/a/ijp61Qr

Vince · 25 Jan 2022 at 14:44

woppy101 said:
I can see the indentation marks on most of those pads

I don't think you can, what you can see is an amount of corrosion where the pads were not touching the pins. if I cleaned it with ipa you wouldn't see a thing i'm fairly sure of that. Interesting but i'm fairly sure the socket will not have enough pressure to damage the cpu pads with indents.

the wopster · 25 Jan 2022 at 14:46

Vince said:
I don't think you can, what you can see is an amount of corrosion where the pads were not touching the pins. if I cleaned it with ipa you wouldn't see a thing i'm fairly sure of that. Interesting but i'm fairly sure the socket will not have enough pressure to damage the cpu pads with indents.

I suppose an indentation is maybe the wrong term, it’s more like a scratch that’s left as the chip is compressed into the socket

Vince · 25 Jan 2022 at 14:47

woppy101 said:
I suppose an indentation is maybe the wrong term, it’s more like a scratch that’s left as the chip is compressed into the socket

My eyes arent nearly good enough for this... im sitting here squinting at a chip

I won't lie I've had tray cpu's from intel that still had some paste on them so honestly I wouldn't be that surprised either way. I guess they may pull a few from a try to make sure they make the grade?!

Ayahuasca · 25 Jan 2022 at 14:47

OP's chip had almost definitely been used given the evidence, can't believe people are arguing otherwise :cry:

The fact that an OCUK employee told him they do bin some OEM chips is quite telling. OEM 12900k's are far more likely to be binned than any of the other chips in the lineup as well.

the wopster · 25 Jan 2022 at 14:50

Vince said:
My eyes arent nearly good enough for this... im sitting here squinting at a chip

I won't lie I've had tray cpu's from intel that still had some paste on them so honestly I wouldn't be that surprised either way. I guess they may pull a few from a try to make sure they make the grade?!

Mate have look at the link, I have circled the pads it’s really evident on, on your picture, you can see a hairline scratch in the middle of the pads I have circled

Vince · 25 Jan 2022 at 14:54

woppy101 said:
Mate have look at the link, I have circled the pads it’s really evident on, on your picture, you can see a hairline scratch in the middle of the pads I have circled

I see em - Although after a quick IPA I now cannot see em :cry:

at least not on the top half of the chip I cleaned up with IPA - Still see em on the bottom half though. Wonder what Intel policy on a tray would be in terms of a test?

the wopster · 25 Jan 2022 at 15:48

Vince said:
I see em - Although after a quick IPA I now cannot see em at least not on the top half of the chip I cleaned up with IPA - Still see em on the bottom half though. Wonder what Intel policy on a tray would be in terms of a test?

I’m sure Intel testing them is fine, it’s if retailers are testing them, that’s the problem