PC and cancel culture, what are the pros and cons?

[Narj]

As a female, I really don't understand why other people take offence over this. I hold the door for anyone, as you said, it is common courtesy and it would even be more rude, if I let the door slam in thier face. If someone, male or whoever held the door for me, I would thank them, as atleast I won't have door slammed to my face. It seems, in this society, being polite and having manners is now offensive.

Welcome to "sane people in clown world".

 

[Malevolence]

I hope you told her to **** off and not apologise.

I did think about asking her exactly what her problem was, but in the end just gave her a quick "**** you then" and left it at that.

 

[Theophany]

But the efforts to destroy his life afterwards are entirely disproportionate to the social faux pas of telling a cold caller she had a sexy voice.

She could have said, "I find your remark offensive and request you don't say anything like that to me again."

You know, like two adults where one wants to make their feelings known or set boundaries with the other.

Instead, she went straight for the jugular. For me that makes means my sympathies lie firmly with the poor chap whose career has been ruined.

This "name and shame" culture is toxic. Everything goes straight to social media and the Court of Twitter.

And what's more... the people on social media *want* everybody to lose their jobs and be ostracised for whatever tiny wrong they can magnify and scrutinise and turn into a hot topic. "Witch-hunting" is a fun game for these people. And some poor sod loses everything to satisfy the lust for blood.

I said I thought the reaction was reprehensible and all people involved sound awful, so I'm not sure what you're trying to convince me of here bud, we already agree!

 

[Ayahuasca]

Welcome to "sane people in clown world".

What's this clown world thing I keep seeing mentioned?

 

[subbytna]

I simply don't care. I say what I want, and if anybody is 'offended' by what I say then that's their problem - not mine.

Yep, me too. Too old now to care about what someone "might" be offended by.

 

[Lysander]

I've had that a couple of times before, last time with an "I can get the door myself!" scolding. I just shrug it off and think what a sad individual they must be if they take offence at common courtesy. I mean, I'll hold a door for anyone rather than let it slam in their face. It's not special treatment.

As a female, I really don't understand why other people take offence over this. I hold the door for anyone, as you said, it is common courtesy and it would even be more rude, if I let the door slam in thier face. If someone, male or whoever held the door for me, I would thank them, as atleast I won't have door slammed to my face. It seems, in this society, being polite and having manners is now offensive.

I find this quite funny. A few months ago I was leaving a train going onto the platform of my local station, about to ascend the stairs to ticket hall level. I saw a woman in her mid 20s really struggling to get a heavy suitcase up the stairwell. I said politely, "can I help you with that?" to which she grunted, "no, I'm fine". I walked up the stairs and looked behind me to see she was having a very difficult time, I wouldn't have been surprised if she put her back out and injured herself.

Another example from uni a few years ago, not the same situation but it had a similar theme.

I was in the union shop looking at some different types of train pass holders and I decided not to purchase one. The girl behind the till spots my lack of uptake on the purchase.

- Ah, I know what you're thinking, too expensive, right?
- No, I didn't like the colour... I mean, £2 is expensive for a pass holder but reasonable for something like er... Tampax [I mention Tampax because they're the next item on the shelf - but I've unwittingly triggered something in her].
- NO £2 FOR TAMPAX IS TOO MUCH MONEY IT'S JUST THE GOVERNMENT'S TAX ON YOU FOR HAVING A VAGINA
- Well... I....
- THEY PUT A LUXURY TAX ON IT
- What's a luxury tax... I didn't know that that was a thing...
- YES IT IS GO AND READ UP ON IT
- Why would they do that?
- ONE WORD FOR WHY THEY DO IT - PATRIARCHY!!!!

At this point I took my green tea and left.

 

[subbytna]

Here's a few more to keep you going.

Writer posts to FB about a rejection she got for an essay about hate crimes against hijabi women. Editor was offended that a WHITE woman would write such a thing. Within 48 hours, the tiff escalates to the point that her career was utterly demolished

A software engineer was fired from her job because she wrote an article that was critical of the trend of non-binary identities

An Edmonton theatre company has cancelled its upcoming production of Othello, after the decision to cast a white woman in the leading role prompted anger and sharp criticism

People trying to cancel singer Sia's movie because an autistic character in the film is being played by a kid who is not autistic

Toronto store owned by a white woman selling bone broth, hot sauce and other foods from different cultures shut down because...

Journalist Helen Lewis has been dropped from a game because of her ‘offensive’ (read: perfectly reasonable) views on trans issues

A professional cyclist was suspended from participating in upcoming races because he admitted to being a Trump fan. And for committing the unforgivably racist sin of using a black hand emoji

Professor of communications cancelled because students complained that in a lecture he used a Chinese word ("niege") that sounds like the n-word

Trans author of a sci-fi short story was bullied and harassed so badly for her story being 'insensitive' to trans people that she self-cancelled

Professor attempting to be cancelled because he decided to observe a local pro-police rally for a short time

I read the first few of your original post, couldn't even click to read these ones as my blood pressure was rising. The world we live in today is regressing. Not a dig at you, just the ridiculousness of how people view things now really gets me angry. gowoke-gobroke

 

[Theophany]

Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a shut in but you lot seem to have a lot of encounters with insane people.

I can't remember the last time I had any kind of verbal exchange with a stranger lol.

 

[Lysander]

Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a shut in but you lot seem to have a lot of encounters with insane people.

I can't remember the last time I had any kind of verbal exchange with a stranger lol.

I personally don't have a problem with talking to random people. The 'fourth wall' doesn't exist much for me.

EDIT: that's not to say I'm a sociable person, I'm not that much. More like an ambivert. I don't like large groups, I detest them, in fact. I much prefer 1:1 interactions.

 

[ianh]

Now that "Elliot" Page has come out as a straight transgender man it'll be interesting to see if the "only an XXX actor can play an XXX role" types who have protested previously to prevent actors such as Scarlet Johansson etc from playing roles because they are not the same race/colour/sex/age as the character etc, will now protest against straight white male "Elliot" (who must now a symbol of the evil patriarchy) from playing the part of a straight woman in "his" current Netflix show or, as I very much suspect will happen, will they be hypocritical and stay silent?

I personally don't have a problem with talking to random people.

Same here, it used to drive my ex mad that I'd happily start a conversation with anyone, anywhere, and usually for a few minutes (as members of various OcUK car meets found out ), like she thought it was some kind of negative social faux pas to be sociable to folks and strike up conversations.

 

[inogen]

I hold doors open for people. I expect others to hold them open for me too. Glares all round if they don't ******s.

I have never, ever, experienced anyone be in any way ungrateful past being indifferent. They're just ****s. Most of them the same as the above ******s.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

The only response to give if someone gets salty about an open door is, "you're welcome".

@Lysander the shop assistant was right about the Tampax; that's why Scotland has decided to make them available for free to women of all ages. Let's see if the Conservatives keep their promise to abolish the tax next year even if they can't bring themselves to make them free.

 

[V F]

I've had that a couple of times before, last time with an "I can get the door myself!" scolding. I just shrug it off and think what a sad individual they must be if they take offence at common courtesy. I mean, I'll hold a door for anyone rather than let it slam in their face. It's not special treatment.

As a female, I really don't understand why other people take offence over this. I hold the door for anyone, as you said, it is common courtesy and it would even be more rude, if I let the door slam in thier face. If someone, male or whoever held the door for me, I would thank them, as atleast I won't have door slammed to my face. It seems, in this society, being polite and having manners is now offensive.

I don't think I've ever encountered that. "scolding" If I have, I've probably forgotten as it was so rare. Every woman from 20 - 70 has thanked me for holding the door open for them even to this very day. Including waiting to hold the door open because their husband was in a wheelchair or with a walking stick. Or the woman herself was in a wheelchair while the husband was escorting her.

Even a simple thing as giving up a chair for her when none was available. I've never had a scolding.

I'd still never let a door slam shut on a man or a woman if they were rude for it, then I'd be as bad as them for doing so.

 

[Lysander]

@Lysander the shop assistant was right about the Tampax; that's why Scotland has decided to make them available for free to women of all ages. Let's see if the Conservatives keep their promise to abolish the tax next year even if they can't bring themselves to make them free.

Can toilet paper be free then? It must be a government tax for having to excrete. Am I missing something?

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Can toilet paper be free then? It must be a government tax for having to excrete. Am I missing something?

It is free, babes.

 

[Lysander]

It is free, babes.

I'm lost. How do you get it for free?

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I'm lost. How do you get it for free?

Go to any public toilet and it'll be on a little dispenser in the cubicle, normally to the left but on very rare occasions it'll be on the right.

 

[explicit4u]

Toilet paper might just be the worst example you could've chosen, it's free in every public toilet but go into the women's and they're typically charging for tampons/pads.

There are some people who would be fine with such a compliment and some not. It's culture-based, a lot of these things. Many white, Western cultured-women would likely get offended. Those from black cultures are more likely to either enjoy the compliment or roll their eyes and brush it off.

Best thing to do is just not say it at all.

I'd be interested to know what that's based on?

And why are the white women in your example 'western cultured' but the black women are 'black cultured'.

 

[Lysander]

Toilet paper might just be the worst example you could've chosen, it's free in every public toilet but go into the women's and they're typically charging for tampons/pads.

Well it's technically free but it's not enough to have in your house, is it. And no-one wants to go to public toilets all the time [or maybe they do]?

I'd be interested to know what that's based on?

Extensive experience of working around both black women and white women. Black women are generally much more relaxed, casually tactile and open to flirtation than white women are. In my experience.

And why are the white women in your example 'western cultured' but the black women are 'black cultured'.

Poor phrasing? I really don't want to get into a protracted discussion about this and will leave it at that.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Well it's technically free but it's not enough to have in your house, is it. And no-one wants to go to public toilets all the time [or maybe they do]?

You've gotten a little confused. Tampons will now be free in public toilets throughout Scotland, whereas before they had to be bought, as is the case in the rest of the UK.

The shop assistant you encountered was referring to the 5% luxury tax that the UK Government has committed to abolishing when we leave the EU.