PC games not possible on console

[spoffle]

I'll unbox a console and plug it in to replace the broken one vs you take apart your PC to replace the old broken component.

Let's see who is quickest and easiest.

How's that for a maintenance challenge?

Yes, then you have to set up you console, which might include updating to the latest OS because a new one has come out after your console was released, set up the internet settings, your profile, reinstall the games you want to play, THEN you're ready to play. That's an hour easily.

I could build a whole PC, have Windows installed and ready to play games within a similar amount of time.

 

[spoffle]

at a £6 saving its going to take a lot of games to claw back the difference, especially when you consider you can trade your console games in for store credit.

Just enough with the cost debate already. It was fine as a minor side track discussion but this thread is heading down a completely different ring road now.

PC gaming costs more, but you get plenty more for that money. Stop kidding yourselves and trying to pretend otherwise.

Not everyone trades games in, I don't trade my console games in even if I have the choice.

PC gaming CAN cost more, it doesn't cost more as a blanket statement though.

 

[Fr0dders]

You can plug a PC in to a TV too...

Peripherals? Console controllers are stupidly expensive. If you want to play multiplayer games you need to either buy an online sub, additional controllers or both.

So are good qualtiy gaming keyboards. You can spend ludicrous amounts if you want a good mechanical one.

You can pick up cheap 2nd hand console controllers or even cheap 3rd party alternatives if you want. You don't have to spend a lot.

Same as with PC peripherals. Neither format is cheaper or more expensive than the other here.

Not everyone trades games in, I don't trade my console games in even if I have the choice.

PC gaming CAN cost more, it doesn't cost more as a blanket statement though.

Course it does, because nobody has yet pointed out a gaming PC for £300. Even the cheapest one pointed out so far is more than twice that.

People are just making up arguments to turn the maths into one that justifies their arguemnt. Its a case of "but but if you never trade games in, and always leave them on your shelf, and always buy them new at full price, then buy them on PC, they are cheaper" using a specific set of cirumstances to justify their point.

You can easily negate the cost difference of PC games vs console games by not doing that. So anybody concerned about cost will.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Yes, then you have to set up you console, which might include updating to the latest OS because a new one has come out after your console was released, set up the internet settings, your profile, reinstall the games you want to play, THEN you're ready to play. That's an hour easily.

I could build a whole PC, have Windows installed and ready to play games within a similar amount of time.

The update the OS, drivers, games patches are also associated with PC games too.

Updating and reinstall is not exclusive to consoles. The stuff about profile is no more than name and password, internet settings ... er, AUTO always works for me for my PS4 and XB1 and 360, I don't even use wifi, I plug in a cable so no wifi password needed.

p.s. You can install all the games to the external HDD for my console if one choose to, save reinstallation.

 

[spoffle]

So are good qualtiy gaming keyboards. You can spend ludicrous amounts if you want a good mechanical one.

A good "quality" one doesn't have to though. Third party controllers for consoles are more often than not rubbish quality, unfortunately. So I don't waste my time with third party console controllers.

You can pick up cheap 2nd hand console controllers or even cheap 3rd party alternatives if you want. You don't have to spend a lot.

Same as with PC peripherals. Neither format is cheaper or more expensive than the other here.

You can also pick up cheap second hand hardware, however as per the above third party console controllers are often not very good, the ones at a much letter price point at least. This isn't really the case with PC peripherals, whereby a cheap keyboard or mouse means it'll not be very good.

Course it does, because nobody has yet pointed out a gaming PC for £300. Even the cheapest one pointed out so far is more than twice that.

Because you're fixating on that. The fact that a console costs £300 is also irrelevant, because you aren't playing any games with just the hardware and no games. This is why the point of software costs is being brought up, because it matters, a lot.

People are just making up arguments to turn the maths into one that justifies their arguemnt. Its a case of "but but if you never trade games in, and always leave them on your shelf, and always buy them new at full price, then buy them on PC, they are cheaper" using a specific set of cirumstances to justify their point.

No they aren't. People are pointing out the realities of owning a console versus owning a PC. You have to buy or acquire software for them to make use of the hardware, to try and negate the software costs shows you're trying to push the argument to the conclusion you want it to have.

You can easily negate the cost difference of PC games vs console games by not doing that. So anybody concerned about cost will.

Anyone concerned about the cost will want all the facts, you are trying to omit some of the facts and are trying to fixate on the hardware costs only.

I am a PC and console gamer, I have been for a very long time. I am not arguing for or against either side, I am arguing in favour of reality, something which some people in this thread aren't really seeing.

 

[spoffle]

The update the OS, drivers, games patches are also associated with PC games too.

I know, I never said otherwise.

Updating and reinstall is not exclusive to consoles. The stuff about profile is no more than name and password, internet settings ... er, AUTO always works for me for my PS4 and XB1 and 360, I don't even use wifi, I plug in a cable so no wifi password needed.

I never said it was, my point is that if your CPU goes and you replace it, you take the bum one out, put the new one in and everything is as it was. This goes for all parts, and graphics cards or motherboards if they're like for like replacements.

If you have to replace your console then there's a lot you have to do to get your new console to how your old one was.

The WiFi password part is just part of it, the point is that you simply don't plug in your replacement console and then everything is as it was.

p.s. I can install all my games to the external HDD for my console if one choose to, save reinstallation. If you choose to.

It depends on the console, but still the chances of having to update the OS before you can access, say, PSN is quite likely. If you're running an old out of date version then PSN isn't letting you in, and you can't install your games to an external drive on a PS4.

 

[Raymond Lin]

The constant rehashing of PC games are cheaper.

For every PC game that you can find cheap, one can find a cheap console game.

One will say you can find it cheap on Steam sale. The other will say you can sell if and get the money back.

Both are right and for the sake of argument, they cost the same.

Then it comes down to the console costs £300, and a gaming PC costs how much?

Not £300.

 

[Fr0dders]

Because you're fixating on that. The fact that a console costs £300 is also irrelevant, because you aren't playing any games with just the hardware and no games. This is why the point of software costs is being brought up, because it matters, a lot.

well no, since you are comparing one directly comparable cost with another.

Yes you can buy cheap steam PC games on steam, but I can buy cheap console games too if I go pre owned, and what difference there is I can claw back by trading it in when I've finished.

This means that overall ,cost of software doesn't really matter. And if it does, it doens't matter enough to claw back all the extra cost of PC hardware.

People keep going on about how expensive console controllers are, but just like the argument used for the PC, you don't have to buy one. You only need a second one if you intend to play split screen with somebody. I don't so have only one controller.

I paid for xbox live, but other than that, there is no other cost to me apart from hardware and games. And as I've just explained I can negate the price difference on both simply by waiting and buying pre owned then trading in

 

[Haggisman]

Stop using game pricing as a justification to make it a level playing field.

Why? Because it doesn't back up your argument? You can't argue about the cost of gaming, and then decide to completely ignore a major part of the equation. Yes, console gaming is far cheaper if you fixate purely on the initial hardware cost, I'm not arguing that, however if you look at the whole picture, there doesn't need to be much of a difference. There can be, but there doesn't need to be.

PC gaming costs more.

...in some circumstances.

 

[Fr0dders]

when comparing directly comparable costs it is.

I do conceed however that if you construe your situation whereby you take the most expensive Console gaming option (such as insisting on buying everything new and never trading in) then the gap can narrow. You're not representing real world scenarios and just making up scenarios to prove a point.

As was the case with the poster earlier who suggested that over a console lifespan you'd spend £3600 on games, before admitting in the last 6 years he's only spent £380 so far more real example. There was only £20 difference in his PC gaming expenditure vs console.

This is my point. stop making up theoretical scenarios and use your own and you find out the gap isn't as small as you think up in your virtual scenarios

 

[Raymond Lin]

Why? Because it doesn't back up your argument? You can't argue about the cost of gaming, and then decide to completely ignore a major part of the equation. Yes, console gaming is far cheaper if you fixate purely on the initial hardware cost, I'm not arguing that, however if you look at the whole picture, there doesn't need to be much of a difference. There can be, but there doesn't need to be.



...in some circumstances.

Because I can make an argument that console games costs less.

I have MADE money from getting a game and selling it a week later. What game? Call of Duty, that I bought for £15 new and sold for £30 to CEX. Thank you Amazon Black Friday.

I also bought a xbox One bundle with 2 games for £305 and sold both games for £60. Technically I made £55 on that one.

We can keep going on about how PC games costs less if you like or we can for the sake of argument, say they costs the same because we can all find examples how it costs less.

 

[spoffle]

The constant rehashing of PC games are cheaper.

For every PC game that you can find cheap, one can find a cheap console game.

One will say you can find it cheap on Steam sale. The other will say you can sell if and get the money back.

Both are right and for the sake of argument, they cost the same.

Then it comes down to the console costs £300, and a gaming PC costs how much?

Not £300.

Okay, so you've got £300, no more. You go out and buy a PS4 for £300. What can you do with it?

 

[Raymond Lin]

Okay, so you've got £300, no more. You go out and buy a PS4 for £300. What can you do with it?

Put in my existing PSN and download this month's free game.

What games are you playing on your £300 PC?

 

[Fr0dders]

buy a game for £10 on it and play it, just like you can buy a game for £10 on PC and play it.

So given identical game costs, what other differences are there ..... This brings us back to hardware.

You don't have to buy PS+ or Xbox live. What if you don't want to play multiplayer ?

See it works both ways.

 

[spoffle]

Because I can make an argument that console games costs less.

I have MADE money from getting a game and selling it a week later. What game? Call of Duty, that I bought for £15 new and sold for £30 to CEX. Thank you Amazon Black Friday.

I also bought a xbox One bundle with 2 games for £305 and sold both games for £60. Technically I made £55 from them.

We can keep going on about how PC games costs less if you like or we can for the sake of argument, say they costs the same because we can all find examples how it costs less.

In general, the costs will be roughly the same, but you can do PC gaming cheaper WITH games cheaper, and still have a decent PC. The point is that you could spend, say, £800 on a PC and over a number of years it'd cost the same overall as having bought a console when you factor in the higher prices of console games.

Part of the problem for the consoles in this example is that they're very new, which means they don't have a large backlog of cheap cheap games to go through, so most of the games available for a PS4 or Xbox One will be fairly expensive.

This is why I assume that Buffetslayer's example is using new releases, as it balances it out somewhat.

But for the most part, I get all my PC new releases for <£25. More often it's less than £20.

The same releases on consoles are £35 if you find a good deal with voucher or something.

 

[spoffle]

Put in my existing PSN and download this month's free game.

What games are you playing on your £300 PC?

You've got £300 and nothing more. You don't have a PS+ sub.

However, since you want to play it that way, I could easily find a PC that costs £300 that would play a large amount of my Steam catalogue, that consists of nearly 500 games.

 

[Fr0dders]

at an average of £15 difference per game, before any money clawed back trading in, its going to take a long time to claw back the cost of the hardware.

 

[Fr0dders]

You've got £300 and nothing more. You don't have a PS+ sub.

However, since you want to play it that way, I could easily find a PC that costs £300 that would play a large amount of my Steam catalogue, that consists of nearly 500 games.

equally I could buy a £50 pre owned xbox 360 and have access to a mountain of cheap games too as well as most new releases. Find me a £50 PC that will play battlefield hardline at any resolution.

Shall we continue ?

This argument is so pointless and not at all what this thread was supposed to be about.

 

[Raymond Lin]

at an average of £15 difference per game, before any money clawed back trading in, its going to take a long time to claw back the cost of the hardware.

That is the nail on the head.

And how many of those games are actually worth buying it when the console games are new and costs more and pay full price for?

for the record, I've had the PS4 and XB1 now for 6 months.

I have bought 4 games, between 2 consoles.

 

[spoffle]

at an average of £15 difference per game, before any money clawed back trading in, its going to take a long time to claw back the cost of the hardware.

No one is saying otherwise. That aside though, you can do a lot more on a PC than a console when it's not about games. I doubt many people buy a PC and only play games on it.

equally I could buy a £50 pre owned xbox 360 and have access to a mountain of cheap games too as well as most new releases. Find me a £50 PC that will play battlefield hardline at any resolution.

Shall we continue ?

Tell Raymond, he went down that route. It's odd that you ignored that part.