PC NOOB Graphics Card Upgrade Help!

Phil Warren · 14 Mar 2018 at 19:27

Terrorfirmer said:
There is a huge difference between that CPU and your current one though the 7700K is still a low-end CPU by current standards, roughly about the same as a desktop Intel Celeron in games.Still fine for those games you've mentioned though.

It would be better if you buy new GTX1050 from OCUK but get 2nd hand FM2 CPU. I know CEX in Ireland sells the FM2 760K which is pretty much the same as the 7700K (minus integrated graphics which are redundant in this case) for about £20.

For £82 on e-bay you would get an entire machine faster (eg 2nd gen i5).

Ok so Im sold on the GTX 1050 (not Ti?) and a new CPU would you choose for about 70-80 to suit my machine ? Cheers

Phil Warren · 15 Mar 2018 at 10:42

Terrorfirmer said:
There is a huge difference between that CPU and your current one though the 7700K is still a low-end CPU by current standards, roughly about the same as a desktop Intel Celeron in games.Still fine for those games you've mentioned though.

It would be better if you buy new GTX1050 from OCUK but get 2nd hand FM2 CPU. I know CEX in Ireland sells the FM2 760K which is pretty much the same as the 7700K (minus integrated graphics which are redundant in this case) for about £20.

For £82 on e-bay you would get an entire machine faster (eg 2nd gen i5).

Ok so if I buy the GTX1050 card and find a decent price for I5 CPU that would make my machine better? Would I need to buy anything else to make these work or install fine? Thank you.

Phil Warren · 15 Mar 2018 at 10:55

orbitalwalsh said:
top one yes, bottom one will improve all aspects - have a wait what others say as well- worth getting a few view points .
if your board is able to support fm2+, above chip or Athlon X4 or X3 then even better

With regards to the CPU shall I go i3 or i5 if you suggest rather than the AMD-A10? Cheers

orbitalwalsh · 15 Mar 2018 at 11:14

Intel i5 cores won't fit in your machine for AMD CPU/APU only . Unless you got an Intel system

Phil Warren · 15 Mar 2018 at 11:26

orbitalwalsh said:
Intel i5 cores won't fit in your machine for AMD CPU/APU only . Unless you got an Intel system

Ok someone suggested this lot rather than a graphics card:

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£59.66 @ YoYoTech)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£90.49 @ ********)
Total: £234.14

What you think? or should I just go with what you suggested:

1 x Palit GeForce GTX 1050 StormX 2048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 Graphics Card= £109.99
1 x AMD Kaveri A10-7700K 10 Compute Core APU w/ Radeon R7 Graphics (4 CPU + 6 GPU Compute Cores) - Reta= £82.99

Total: £203.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)

Thanks!

Terrorfirmer · 15 Mar 2018 at 12:21

For the sake of a few pounds the Ryzen absolutely. It's head and shoulders above the 7700K, literally twice as fast in some games.

The GTX1050 is a good bit faster than the integrated GPU of the 2200G, but the trade off is way better - you won't have to upgrade the CPU for ages and if you do, there'll be tons of better CPU upgrades available and you can drop in a graphics card when you can afford it/want to.

Get the GTX1050 + 7700K now - poor performance in some games due to major CPU bottleneck, dead-end platform....but you'll have better graphics performance here and now.

Personally I would take the 2200G now with the future and longevity in mind.

Terrorfirmer · 15 Mar 2018 at 12:25

My comment about the £80 i5 wasn't about the CPU alone....I mean you can literally get an entire Dell Optiplex with a 2nd generation i5, 4GB ram + 500GB HDD for that price on Ebay if you look around.

You could carry over your old ram and add a GTX1050 to something like that for the same overall cost and have a happy middle ground - decent CPU and strong graphics. Right now your two options outlined above are:

2200G build - strong CPU, mediocre graphics (but easy to add new card later)
7700K + GTX1050 - weak CPU, strong graphics (cannot do anything about weak CPU as no upgrades available)

3rd option is: Buy a new GTX1050 from OCUK, add it to a Dell Optiplex i5 and carry over your old ram (older CPU but still decent and up-gradable to i7 for small money, strong graphics)

All 3 would cost around the same.

Phil Warren · 15 Mar 2018 at 12:36

Terrorfirmer said:
For the sake of a few pounds the Ryzen absolutely. It's head and shoulders above the 7700K, literally twice as fast in some games.

The GTX1050 is a good bit faster than the integrated GPU of the 2200G, but the trade off is way better - you won't have to upgrade the CPU for ages and if you do, there'll be tons of better CPU upgrades available and you can drop in a graphics card when you can afford it/want to.

Get the GTX1050 + 7700K now - poor performance in some games due to major CPU bottleneck, dead-end platform....but you'll have better graphics performance here and now.

Personally I would take the 2200G now with the future and longevity in mind.

Ok so il order the GTX 1050 and The AMD Ryzen 2 3300G? That will do the trick for me?

orbitalwalsh · 15 Mar 2018 at 12:45

Ryzen processor is superior by far to the A10 APU, but 2200/2400g is lacking compared to the gtx 1050

Getting both would be solid ! But you'll have to flash that board yourself

Phil Warren · 15 Mar 2018 at 13:11

orbitalwalsh said:
Ryzen processor is superior by far to the A10 APU, but 2200/2400g is lacking compared to the gtx 1050

Getting both would be solid ! But you'll have to flash that board yourself

Flash! what Mac do I wear ! so what am i buying Orbital!?

Terrorfirmer · 15 Mar 2018 at 14:03

Phil Warren said:
Ok so il order the GTX 1050 and The AMD Ryzen 2 3300G? That will do the trick for me?

If you do that you need a new motherboard and DDR4 ram as well, you know that right? So it will be expensive enough.

You can't just put the 2200G in your existing motherboard it's a totally different socket.

This is the problem with your PC - it's not a very good platform (FM2 socket) and even the 'best' processor for it is pretty crap but still £80.

If you can afford it, yes, your best option is to get a new motherboard, 2200G, 8GB DDR4 ram + GTX1050. If you can't afford it, just get the motherboard, 2200G and 8GB DDR4 and use integrated graphics for now, they're pretty decent and you can add a card later.

orbitalwalsh · 15 Mar 2018 at 14:16

Dig deep, don't have to worry about GPU to Polaris refresh (can't remember if that's on roadmap along with Vega) or Next gen Nvidia low end will be Q4 or Q1 next year

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 5 2400G VEGA Graphics AM4 CPU w/ Wraith Stealth Cooler= £149.99
1 x Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 AMD B350 (Socket AM4) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard= £72.95
2 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD48G3000= £85.99

Total: £405.42 (includes shipping: £10.50)

4 cores and 8 threads over 2200g 4/4 with more core Vega unit

Can either get Boot kit from AMD or get Gigabyte to flash board for you if it doesn't have APU sticker on the box

Phil Warren · 15 Mar 2018 at 14:49

orbitalwalsh said:
Dig deep, don't have to worry about GPU to Polaris refresh (can't remember if that's on roadmap along with Vega) or Next gen Nvidia low end will be Q4 or Q1 next year

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 5 2400G VEGA Graphics AM4 CPU w/ Wraith Stealth Cooler= £149.99

1 x Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 AMD B350 (Socket AM4) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard= £72.95

2 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD48G3000= £85.99

Total: £405.42 (includes shipping: £10.50)

4 cores and 8 threads over 2200g 4/4 with more core Vega unit

Can either get Boot kit from AMD or get Gigabyte to flash board for you if it doesn't have APU sticker on the box

Awesome just what I needed, so il order that lot then ! cheers again

orbitalwalsh · 15 Mar 2018 at 14:55

Phil Warren said:
Awesome just what I needed, so il order that lot then ! cheers again

Haha, I can see everyone's view points , so this I guess is a mash of them all, Vega/ryzen APU but the top end. 4 cores and 8 threads instead of 4/4 and better Vega core count , again not going to blow the world away but the core/thread will last a good while !!! And so will the board..!

Worth calling, see if OCUK can flash the board their and then.. if it costs you say £20-30 then so be it

Think you should be able to get some cash back of ram maybe ... DDR shortage and older ram harder to get

Phil Warren · 16 Mar 2018 at 13:49

Would this work out good for me?

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£59.66 @ YoYoTech)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£90.49 @ ********)
Palit PCI-E GTX1050 StormX 2 GB 128-Bit D/3DP/HDMI Graphics Card - Grey £113.99

Cheers guys....

orbitalwalsh · 16 Mar 2018 at 14:04

Phil Warren said:
Would this work out good for me?

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£59.66 @ YoYoTech)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£90.49 @ ********)
Palit PCI-E GTX1050 StormX 2 GB 128-Bit D/3DP/HDMI Graphics Card - Grey £113.99

Cheers guys....

again memory would fail your, any ryzen your looking at the above team group,
also you'd want Ryzen 1200/1400 as then you dont have to worry about flashing the mother board to work since your adding a gtx 1050

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 AMD B350 (Socket AM4) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard= £72.95
1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD48G3000= £85.99
1 x AMD Ryzen 3 Quad Core 1200 3.40GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £89.99
1 x KFA2 GeForce GTX 1050 OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £109.99

Total: £370.02 (includes shipping: £11.10)

you'll have to work out the costs of shipping from different stores as well

would personally get the 2200G but you may have to do some leg-work yourself

Phil Warren · 16 Mar 2018 at 21:20

This work ?

AMD Athlon X4 845 Quad Core Processor(3.8GHz,2MB Cache,FM2+ Socket)- Silver
(https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Athlon-Processor-3-8GHz-So...)

Asus Ceberus GTX1050 Ti Advanced, 4GB DDR5, PCIe3, DVI, HDMI, DP, 1442MHz OC
(https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ceberus-GTX1050-Advanced-PCIe3...)

Whilst I'm in the mood for spending a little bit extra what RAM would fit my machine (ideally like 16 in total)

orbitalwalsh · 17 Mar 2018 at 07:59

Phil Warren said:
This work ?

AMD Athlon X4 845 Quad Core Processor(3.8GHz,2MB Cache,FM2+ Socket)- Silver
(https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Athlon-Processor-3-8GHz-So...)

Asus Ceberus GTX1050 Ti Advanced, 4GB DDR5, PCIe3, DVI, HDMI, DP, 1442MHz OC
(https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ceberus-GTX1050-Advanced-PCIe3...)

Whilst I'm in the mood for spending a little bit extra what RAM would fit my machine (ideally like 16 in total)

You'll have to see which is better, x4 845 or A10-7700k ... I know the A10 supports PCIe 3.0

But 1050 Ti is preferred over the 1050 .
Also remove links, not allowed here

Googled, push X4 860 if you can !

Terrorfirmer · 17 Mar 2018 at 10:48

It will work but you have to accept that the X4 845 is a very low-end processor by modern standards and pretty rubbish at CPU heavy games, will severely bottleneck a GTX1050Ti in many games. Having said that for the games you've mentioned, it shouldn't, and considering it's £40, it's not so bad an option at all.

Phil Warren · 17 Mar 2018 at 11:25

Ok so im not going to being playing a massive amount of games so what processor would you suggest that will fit in my machine?
Im sold on the 1050ti and 16bg ram, just lost with which model CPU I should go for.... ta.