PC v Mac adverts
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Lian Li's are fantastic. Im on my second now and they are just built with easy of use in mind with some very nifty features. No MacPro but then im not complaining.WotDa said:
I fail to see how 4 graphics cards and 16GB of RAM - hardware that won't be used by many/any games - instantly makes it better than a PC. And I'm sure there are plenty of PCs that are that expandable, if you were to spend the same amount of money.Fstop11 said:
Which won't compete in any way, shape or form with a PC of equivalent value, as far as gaming is concerned (seeing as that is the only focus of your argument). The hardware isn't magically 'better' just because they've slapped it inside a big, heavy aluminium box.Fstop11 said:
Rejoice. Means we won't have to endure your awful spelling and grammar any more.Fstop11 said:
I'm a Mac convert, mainly because it is the only current system that allows me to use my Web Authoring software, MS Office and UNIX utilities (inc Latex, xfig, R, octave) under one hood. It also offers some interesting and well-integrated Windows emulation. TBH not being able to play games on it is a good thing for me atm as it means I have to concentrate on real work 
Unfortunately the uber-trendy Mac image does it a dis-service as it provides a very complete development system without having to spend hours-days messing around with it's configuration. I moved to Mac because I want to spend my time doing work *with* my computer, not spending time getting my computer to work!
All in all, Im very happy with my MacBookPro and I'm now looking forward to Leopard, in particular "spaces". The revised Packagemaker also looks like it will save me a fair bit of work. It will be interesting to see what effect the replacement of netinfo will have too.
Unfortunately the uber-trendy Mac image does it a dis-service as it provides a very complete development system without having to spend hours-days messing around with it's configuration. I moved to Mac because I want to spend my time doing work *with* my computer, not spending time getting my computer to work!
All in all, Im very happy with my MacBookPro and I'm now looking forward to Leopard, in particular "spaces". The revised Packagemaker also looks like it will save me a fair bit of work. It will be interesting to see what effect the replacement of netinfo will have too.
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Ooh you have insulted me now. Picking up on spelling and grammar because your running out of things to say. I am no saint when it comes to English but why should I on a forum where my point will be crapped on anyway.TheVoice said:
You said earlier that a Mac is far too expensive yet you have contradicted yourself saying you can buy a PC that expandable if you spend the same amount. So wheres your point again?
FYI I dont play games anymore so my point about a Mac does not refer to gaming. That is everyone elses argument.
Don't pay for hardware. Pay for a stable working and creative workstation. Gaming doesnt come into it. Not for me anyway.
Those adverts make me laugh, especially when they say they work out of the box. I wish, fonts, printers and software is harder and takes longer to install and causes more problems than on a PC. Nearly all new PC's work straight out of the box, fact!
I cannot see why anyone would buy a Mac, except that they "look" good...
I cannot see why anyone would buy a Mac, except that they "look" good...
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What do you think about the reasons M0KUJ1N posted?Baz said:I cannot see why anyone would buy a Mac, except that they "look" good...
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Baz said:Those adverts make me laugh, especially when they say they work out of the box. I wish, fonts, printers and software is harder and takes longer to install and causes more problems than on a PC. Nearly all new PC's work straight out of the box, fact!
I cannot see why anyone would buy a Mac, except that they "look" good...
OS X is amazing, XP is amazing imo ... you get to use BOTH amazing OS's for the areas they are both amazing in.I use XP to game and OS X for my digital media etc.
And it does work out of the box, you take it out you start it up and away you go, infact in most cases theres one cable, the power and you're up and running.
Hence it works straight out of the box, and if you buy say a printer along side, you plug it in and what do you know it works
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They are not reasons, when people say they take ages to get their PC to work properly, it means it isn't set up correctly. When I install software on a PC it just works, on a Mac you have to fiddle with it to find the fonts, printing is different from each application, on a PC, fonts just work, printing is the same in all apps, printing just works.
Why would you want to emulate Windows in a Mac..... when a PC can do everything that a Mac can do, and cheaper.
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But if he wants to run those UNIX utilities on Windows the has to futz around with cygwin then has to recompile all of his binaries for it. The convenience of having it all in one package is significant, IMO.
Baz said:Why not run Linux then
Yes, he could fine new applications, but that really isn't the point.
Whilst I'm here.. http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html
Two words;
Logic....Aperture
I switched to macs last december when i visited my old man in London and he gave me his PowerMac Dual G5.
The computer is awesome. i have recently got 4GB of RAM in it and it flies!
i bought myself a 17" MacBook Pro in february and a similar spec dell was £2300 whereas i got mine for £1600.
I have not switched on my PC for lengthy periods in about 4 months. It makes me frustrated, its sooo flakey. Its not like i had a bad machine either, Pentium D at 4.2Ghz, 2GB DDr2 RAM, 1TB of HDD, X1900XT-X, X-Fi Fatal1ty, P5W DH Deluxe etc...
I dont need games now i have amazing software, Aperture is an amazing program that is absolutely awesome, as a comparison there is Adobe Lightroom but its nt as good and far less intuitive to use.
Logic is also a outstanding application, i am in the process of saving up for it!
I created a professional looking website the other day in iWeb and i was in awe because it looked so good with little effort put into it.
Im steadily finding more and more things in OS X 5 months after getting my first mac, i would say people would have to use it for at least 2 months to reap the rewards.
There is so many things i could go on about that is good but I'm calling on deaf ears, if you dont like mac your not gonna get one and i not gonna convince you otherwise.
Regarding the adverts, i hate the UK adds, the Mac just seems tooo smug, the US ones are much better with a lot more likable personalities in the ads.
Leopards going to be extremely good, 1 disk to work on every mac not 20 very expensive different variations.
Josh
Logic....Aperture
I switched to macs last december when i visited my old man in London and he gave me his PowerMac Dual G5.
The computer is awesome. i have recently got 4GB of RAM in it and it flies!
i bought myself a 17" MacBook Pro in february and a similar spec dell was £2300 whereas i got mine for £1600.
I have not switched on my PC for lengthy periods in about 4 months. It makes me frustrated, its sooo flakey. Its not like i had a bad machine either, Pentium D at 4.2Ghz, 2GB DDr2 RAM, 1TB of HDD, X1900XT-X, X-Fi Fatal1ty, P5W DH Deluxe etc...
I dont need games now i have amazing software, Aperture is an amazing program that is absolutely awesome, as a comparison there is Adobe Lightroom but its nt as good and far less intuitive to use.
Logic is also a outstanding application, i am in the process of saving up for it!
I created a professional looking website the other day in iWeb and i was in awe because it looked so good with little effort put into it.
Im steadily finding more and more things in OS X 5 months after getting my first mac, i would say people would have to use it for at least 2 months to reap the rewards.
There is so many things i could go on about that is good but I'm calling on deaf ears, if you dont like mac your not gonna get one and i not gonna convince you otherwise.
Regarding the adverts, i hate the UK adds, the Mac just seems tooo smug, the US ones are much better with a lot more likable personalities in the ads.
Leopards going to be extremely good, 1 disk to work on every mac not 20 very expensive different variations.
Josh
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Fstop11 said:
I recognise the pointlessness of replying to someone who is currently suspended but you were the person who brought up that Macs were and I quote - "better capable at gaming than a PC". Post #126 if you wish to check what you have said. It is fantastic if a Mac can have 4 graphics cards and 16gb Ram but if nothing uses it then where is the point?
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It does look quite good but then so can an equivalent PC, if you buy a cheap and nasty PC case then of course it will be plasticy, the lights would be a matter of personal preference (personally I wouldn't bother but that is just me) but the fan system thing is where this begins to fall down totally. I think I mentioned before that my mate has just acquired an early Macpro and it sounds like a couple of turbines in the fan system, I'm sure they cool beautifully but the sound is too loud to even consider leaving it on while sleeping and that is something I can happily do with my PC.
Also with cygwin you can't use the shell to navigate the local file system under Windows, only the cygwin directory tree.
With apple its simply a case of dragging and dropping an app, using fink to pull it down or compiling the tarball.
Also I've used many different OSes over the years (Solaris 2 through 8, Linux since RH 6, Mac OS since System 7 and Windows since Windows 3.0). Whilst Im not going to say "Mac OS rules, everything else sucks" as one's desktop OS of choice is governed both by personal preference and circumstance, what I will say is that I'd like to think I'm in a strong position to objectively choose the best OS for my own personal needs
With apple its simply a case of dragging and dropping an app, using fink to pull it down or compiling the tarball.
Also I've used many different OSes over the years (Solaris 2 through 8, Linux since RH 6, Mac OS since System 7 and Windows since Windows 3.0). Whilst Im not going to say "Mac OS rules, everything else sucks" as one's desktop OS of choice is governed both by personal preference and circumstance, what I will say is that I'd like to think I'm in a strong position to objectively choose the best OS for my own personal needs
I think the only people who can comment on this are those who have both a PC and a Mac. Or at least good personal experience of both.
I was lucky enough (well, worked and saved hard enough) to have a MacBook Pro land under my tree at Christmas time and due to a long delay on a graphics card in RMA, I had plenty of time to get to know my laptop.
Whilst I wouldn't be the most "setting-happy" person on computers, I suppose I 'know enough' to satisfy what I need doing.
Physically, Apple simply have the best design team in the world. I think anyone who argues different is looking at an E-Mac rather than an I-Mac and an original iBook rather than a MacBook or a MacBook Pro. Their thinking behind their design is just beautiful, they make beautiful products.
Look at any iPod relative to its release dates, cutting edge, inside and out.
Now, like everything else, music, cars, football, and so on - that may not be your thing and I think that's fair. The diluted, near bleach white look isn't for everyone, but then what is? Someone in PC land will think a £15 gamers case off the bay is better than a nice, tidy Lian-Li PC7 from OverClockers. (discount, please)
After opening my MacBook Pro - the use of colours and layout were just fantastic. After less than a week of using the MacBook Pro, I had already drawn up a plot on how to sell my PC and buy an 20" I-Mac for my room instead. Thankfully I didn't go through with it (given hindsight) but it definitely had a great effect on me. I just found it a really nice platform for which to 'compute'...
I had used an E-Mac with Mac OS X in college before, but that was usually the object of my hatred. What a piece of crap, I thought. Not surprising given how it was a PowerPC Processor 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Yet, I still thought it handled some things efficiently for what was under the hood. Unfortunately not even that spec can perform in Motion and FinalCutPro/SoundTrackPro like our tutors are expecting it too. But that was my first true experience of a Mac.
Even furtherback, my first computer was a Macintosh. It was one of them ancient ones without real colour on the screen. I had been given a three hour lesson (by my Uncle and Dad, well, my Dad isn't computer minded, he would occasionally nod knowingly to what my uncle had said) on how to use the machine - then when I was set free on it, I started dragging every program into the recycle bin, believing that when I had dragged every program into the bin, the last remaining one would start up - or at least that was my theory...That was, many moons ago.
I don't see any harm in the advertisements. It was interesting that when I didn't have a Mac, I found them quite annoying and now I don't really mind them - whether I have been brainwashed or not by Spotlight and Widgets, I don't know - but I think it's safe to say that Apple aren't really as bad as people would like to make out.
They're playing catch up with Microsoft and a bit of what I see as banter in their advertisements isn't going to do anyone, any harm. If the new computer user is someone who is going to be swayed by one or two advertisements, who isn't going to be someone who seeks advise from a relative or even a computer magazine for their first purchase - then let them be taken in by the 'cool' bias of a Justin Long, in the Apple advertisment, the 'WOW' on the billboard advertising Vista.
It could be argued that Vista doesn't have a 'WOW', when your components don't even have drivers (Maybe not Microsoft's fault, but it's still restrictive) and that Apple Mac computers have never been cool.
As for what drives people to hate the other 'brand', it's just old stereotypes. The Mac User is someone who doesn't know much about a computer at all, but who is arrogant enough to tell you how good their machine is and the PC user is someone without taste or sense in regards to what is a great operating system. Getting along is ideal, but it'll never happen. And as much as I hate the bickering, yapping and winging that occurs between the two sets of 'fanboys' - I'm happy enough to sit on the fence and enjoy the best of both worlds.
In terms of the computing industry especially, I think it's great that there can be two sets of what are all normal computer users, being so unbelievably different.
I was lucky enough (well, worked and saved hard enough) to have a MacBook Pro land under my tree at Christmas time and due to a long delay on a graphics card in RMA, I had plenty of time to get to know my laptop.
Whilst I wouldn't be the most "setting-happy" person on computers, I suppose I 'know enough' to satisfy what I need doing.
Physically, Apple simply have the best design team in the world. I think anyone who argues different is looking at an E-Mac rather than an I-Mac and an original iBook rather than a MacBook or a MacBook Pro. Their thinking behind their design is just beautiful, they make beautiful products.
Look at any iPod relative to its release dates, cutting edge, inside and out.
Now, like everything else, music, cars, football, and so on - that may not be your thing and I think that's fair. The diluted, near bleach white look isn't for everyone, but then what is? Someone in PC land will think a £15 gamers case off the bay is better than a nice, tidy Lian-Li PC7 from OverClockers. (discount, please)
After opening my MacBook Pro - the use of colours and layout were just fantastic. After less than a week of using the MacBook Pro, I had already drawn up a plot on how to sell my PC and buy an 20" I-Mac for my room instead. Thankfully I didn't go through with it (given hindsight) but it definitely had a great effect on me. I just found it a really nice platform for which to 'compute'...
I had used an E-Mac with Mac OS X in college before, but that was usually the object of my hatred. What a piece of crap, I thought. Not surprising given how it was a PowerPC Processor 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Yet, I still thought it handled some things efficiently for what was under the hood. Unfortunately not even that spec can perform in Motion and FinalCutPro/SoundTrackPro like our tutors are expecting it too. But that was my first true experience of a Mac.
Even furtherback, my first computer was a Macintosh. It was one of them ancient ones without real colour on the screen. I had been given a three hour lesson (by my Uncle and Dad, well, my Dad isn't computer minded, he would occasionally nod knowingly to what my uncle had said) on how to use the machine - then when I was set free on it, I started dragging every program into the recycle bin, believing that when I had dragged every program into the bin, the last remaining one would start up - or at least that was my theory...That was, many moons ago.
I don't see any harm in the advertisements. It was interesting that when I didn't have a Mac, I found them quite annoying and now I don't really mind them - whether I have been brainwashed or not by Spotlight and Widgets, I don't know - but I think it's safe to say that Apple aren't really as bad as people would like to make out.
They're playing catch up with Microsoft and a bit of what I see as banter in their advertisements isn't going to do anyone, any harm. If the new computer user is someone who is going to be swayed by one or two advertisements, who isn't going to be someone who seeks advise from a relative or even a computer magazine for their first purchase - then let them be taken in by the 'cool' bias of a Justin Long, in the Apple advertisment, the 'WOW' on the billboard advertising Vista.
It could be argued that Vista doesn't have a 'WOW', when your components don't even have drivers (Maybe not Microsoft's fault, but it's still restrictive) and that Apple Mac computers have never been cool.
As for what drives people to hate the other 'brand', it's just old stereotypes. The Mac User is someone who doesn't know much about a computer at all, but who is arrogant enough to tell you how good their machine is and the PC user is someone without taste or sense in regards to what is a great operating system. Getting along is ideal, but it'll never happen. And as much as I hate the bickering, yapping and winging that occurs between the two sets of 'fanboys' - I'm happy enough to sit on the fence and enjoy the best of both worlds.
In terms of the computing industry especially, I think it's great that there can be two sets of what are all normal computer users, being so unbelievably different.