PC vs 360

[Gandalf501]

That's still not a good reason. Sony will have their own DirectX style equivalent system, and in the end, it's just another console, with similar power to the 360, and pretty much the same technical capabilites.

Good enough reason for me not to buy an xbox, even if it isnt for you.

Look at like this. An car engine, is a car engine, is it not. Say I have a Ford Engine (Direct X) in my PC. If I wanted a second car, I personally wouldnt want a another ford (Xbox360) as the car I have equals or surpasses it.

Now if I want a different drive all together, I will go out and buy maybe a mazda (Wii), or a vauxhall (DS lite), or a volkswagen (PS3). Because its a different company, its a different engine, and its a completely different ride... I hope this explains my POV... Humble as it is ...

 

[rayb74]

My PC is faster than any console.

And it always will be.

Nuff said.

Yes Good for you......... so is mine, but I who cares ?

As for PC versus 360 you are trying to compare chalk with cheese. I am lucky as I can enjoy the best of BOTH worlds.
PC gaming ............ good graphics, mouse.
Console gaming...... good graphics , play with your feet up, sociable, many of your friends can afford one, no cheating online..... Oh and the luxury of putting in a new game and playing it straight away without farting around with hardware/software issues,updates,and the usual crap that goes with playing a new PC game.

 

[melchy]

These arguments seem to always exist in that magical world where your PC mysteriously disappears as soon as you buy a console.

 

[Raumarik]

These arguments seem to always exist in that magical world where your PC mysteriously disappears as soon as you buy a console.

Swapped my gaming PC for a laptop 5 weeks after getting a XBox 360, actually wish I could ditch the laptop too now as I only check my e-mails every few days and usually read my forums etc at lunchtime at work

I had my PC in my livingroom though so it opened up a lot of wasted space once I could ditch the desk etc.

My livingroom is now a very social and very active room, my mates love my Xbox and I love having them around for boys nights in when we get permission from the girlfriends/fiances/wives

 

[Raumarik]

Good enough reason for me not to buy an xbox, even if it isnt for you.

Look at like this. An car engine, is a car engine, is it not. Say I have a Ford Engine (Direct X) in my PC. If I wanted a second car, I personally wouldnt want a another ford (Xbox360) as the car I have equals or surpasses it.

Now if I want a different drive all together, I will go out and buy maybe a mazda (Wii), or a vauxhall (DS lite), or a volkswagen (PS3). Because its a different company, its a different engine, and its a completely different ride... I hope this explains my POV... Humble as it is ...

I think you've entirely missed the whole point of having a console to be honest, it's nothing to do with engine, it's about the more sociable aspects as well as the ease of use and not needing to constantly upgrade like a PC. I always had consoles but never really played any as I prefered my PC for years until I had a shot of a 360, it won't be everyones cup of tea and probably isn't yours but it does snatch up PC gamers like myself who are simply fed up with the cost and time consumed by upgrading hardware and drivers on a PC just to play another game.

 

[cokecan]

Feel free to assume. But you would be wrong. Im not being sarcastic. The xbox was built around Direct X. Hence the name of the product. X-Box. Considering that the Direct-XBox 360 will not be able to upgrade to Dx10, then by the time vista arrives, your Direct-Xbox will be last generation...

...and exactly how many DX10 games are gonna be out then that actually run well? and how much are DX10 g-cards gonna cost. Im sorry but that argument is just pointless. even majority of PC users will have last gen hardware and software that cant afford, or dont want a dx10 card and dont want to upgrade to vista.

 

[Gandalf501]

I think you've entirely missed the whole point of having a console to be honest, it's nothing to do with engine, it's about the more sociable aspects as well as the ease of use and not needing to constantly upgrade like a PC. I always had consoles but never really played any as I prefered my PC for years until I had a shot of a 360, it won't be everyones cup of tea and probably isn't yours but it does snatch up PC gamers like myself who are simply fed up with the cost and time consumed by upgrading hardware and drivers on a PC just to play another game.

Not true at all. Why would I own a PS2 and a DS lite? Why would I be getting Wii when it comes out, as well as a PS3...

The point I was making with the engine was in answer to a previous question. Personally I feel the 360 is far too similar to the PC.... Why would I want to play Oblivion on the 360 when I can play it on the PC. As for fighting/racing games, I would play them on the PS2. Online play I would choose the PC over the 360 any day... Most PC onlime play is free...... And the games are cheaper to start off with....

 

[Yewen]

Not true at all. Why would I own a PS2 and a DS lite? Why would I be getting Wii when it comes out, as well as a PS3...

The point I was making with the engine was in answer to a previous question. Personally I feel the 360 is far too similar to the PC.... Why would I want to play Oblivion on the 360 when I can play it on the PC. As for fighting/racing games, I would play them on the PS2. Online play I would choose the PC over the 360 any day... Most PC onlime play is free...... And the games are cheaper to start off with....

The games are fun, they just work, its a level playing field online as everyone has the same...

The console is fun, reliable (yes) and it just works online, LIVE is an awsome service which means you can get together with mates really easily, can get four people in the living room having a game of DOA4 or similar, the PC just can not do that.

Graphics, I play my megadrive weekly and love my N64, who gives a damn about them as long as they are functional. Consoles are not directly comparable to PCs due to them having a fixed set of hardware specifications which leads to titles on them being optimised heavily for them.

Consoles are generally very good fun for short 1 hour bursts, but I do always go to my £2000 computer for a 4 hour gaming session, but that is slightly not the point, i doubt in 2010 that my PC will be running games at all, my 360 should still be getting titles released which it will run.

 

[Gandalf501]

...and exactly how many DX10 games are gonna be out then that actually run well? and how much are DX10 g-cards gonna cost. Im sorry but that argument is just pointless. even majority of PC users will have last gen hardware and software that cant afford, or dont want a dx10 card and dont want to upgrade to vista.

How many 360 games are out that run well??? Sorry, dont have a crystal ball with me, couldnt tell you how much DX10 cards will cost. I imagine that you will be able to buy mid range and budget DX10 cards... Just like when DX9 cards came out, likewise DX8.

Why is it pointless. Vista is due out soon. DX10 will come with it. PS3 is being released around the same time as Vista in this country. Xbox 360 will be yesterdays news. Dont forget, work started on the 360 in 2003. DX10 cards will be coming out in 2007...

Im sorry but im having a problem with your logic. Why are PC owners so different than Xbox Owners? Why do the owners of the xBox have the available cash and the desire to upgrade to the 360, yet PC owners cant afford and dont want to upgrade to Vista and DX10... Considering the number of 'spec my system' and 'recommend me a new graphics/cpu/mobo' threads started on these forums, and the actual site you are posting on, I think you are presumptious in saying that people cant afford/wont upgrade to DX10 when it arrives... Maybe on money saving expert forums I can understand, but on Overclockers.... Please...

 

[Gandalf501]

i doubt in 2010 that my PC will be running games at all, my 360 should still be getting titles released which it will run.

Of course you could always play your 360 games in emulator on your 2010 PC...

BTW, I actually OWN consoles... Im not against them, and I know the benefits of them... what im saying is that if you have a PC, why buy an xBox?? Why not get a Wii and have a totally different gaming experience rather than more of the same...

 

[Phil99]

The way I worded the coding bit was probably quite poor as it obviously does matter how well the game is coded, I was just saying it really doesn't matter if it uses Direct X or not as it really doesn't show when you're actually playing the game...as someone else has said, Sony will have their own version of Direct X for the PS3, and I'll bet that games on the PS3 don't look too different from the 360.

Correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption, but are you saying that there's no point getting a 360 because the actual games that are released on it are available on other consoles/PC already? e.g. GRAW/Quake 4 on PC, the entire EA range on other consoles + PC?

 

[Raumarik]

How many 360 games are out that run well??? Sorry, dont have a crystal ball with me, couldnt tell you how much DX10 cards will cost. I imagine that you will be able to buy mid range and budget DX10 cards... Just like when DX9 cards came out, likewise DX8.

Why is it pointless. Vista is due out soon. DX10 will come with it. PS3 is being released around the same time as Vista in this country. Xbox 360 will be yesterdays news. Dont forget, work started on the 360 in 2003. DX10 cards will be coming out in 2007...

Im sorry but im having a problem with your logic. Why are PC owners so different than Xbox Owners? Why do the owners of the xBox have the available cash and the desire to upgrade to the 360, yet PC owners cant afford and dont want to upgrade to Vista and DX10... Considering the number of 'spec my system' and 'recommend me a new graphics/cpu/mobo' threads started on these forums, and the actual site you are posting on, I think you are presumptious in saying that people cant afford/wont upgrade to DX10 when it arrives... Maybe on money saving expert forums I can understand, but on Overclockers.... Please...

I think the point he's more likely to be making is that a sizeable number of PC gamers are slowly becoming annoyed with the constant struggle to keep up. I could afford to but opted for a console and a laptop, it's convenience more than cost, at least for me.

Of course you could always play your 360 games in emulator on your 2010 PC...

BTW, I actually OWN consoles... Im not against them, and I know the benefits of them... what im saying is that if you have a PC, why buy an xBox?? Why not get a Wii and have a totally different gaming experience rather than more of the same...

It's not the same as a PC though, with the 360 you have the knowledge that those your playing against have the same hardware, you have no worries in terms of upgrading the hardware and software. The internals might be the same and they'll share a lot of the same games but the experience is entirely different and so far it's been far superior on the 360.

I love my PCs but I'd rather game on a console these days.

 

[DaveyD]

Thing is, your point about the amount of people asking for specs for new computers, this is a hardware forums, for entusiasts and those that probably want and use their PCs a little more than the vast majority of the general public out there that wont have a clue about this kind of stuff, and therefore those buying PCs will not have the knowhow of willingness to spend huge amounts of money on a system for gaming.

Though you say DX10 is coming in 2007, it's not as if they've just started developing it, it's the same as the 360, development started a long time ago, maybe a year after the 360 development initiall started, maybe less.

At the end of the day, these consoles are not just going to have games that you'll be able to play on the PC, they'll have original, exclusive titles that'll make people want to buy the systems. I still don't see your logic with the PS3 being so much different than a 360, it's going to have similar games, and likewise probably a large amount of games that are available on the PC or clones at least available for the PC.

 

[cokecan]

How many 360 games are out that run well??? Sorry, dont have a crystal ball with me, couldnt tell you how much DX10 cards will cost. I imagine that you will be able to buy mid range and budget DX10 cards... Just like when DX9 cards came out, likewise DX8.

Why is it pointless. Vista is due out soon. DX10 will come with it. PS3 is being released around the same time as Vista in this country. Xbox 360 will be yesterdays news. Dont forget, work started on the 360 in 2003. DX10 cards will be coming out in 2007...

Im sorry but im having a problem with your logic. Why are PC owners so different than Xbox Owners? Why do the owners of the xBox have the available cash and the desire to upgrade to the 360, yet PC owners cant afford and dont want to upgrade to Vista and DX10... Considering the number of 'spec my system' and 'recommend me a new graphics/cpu/mobo' threads started on these forums, and the actual site you are posting on, I think you are presumptious in saying that people cant afford/wont upgrade to DX10 when it arrives... Maybe on money saving expert forums I can understand, but on Overclockers.... Please...

just cos were on overclockers forum doesnt mean everyone on here is a hardcore enthusiast that has to have the best and latest of everything.

im not saying pc owners and xbox owners are diffrerent. thats the impression im getting from your posts....to me your sayin somethin along the lines of "why bother buying a 360 when you have a PC, and that DX10 and vista are out soon meaning xbox is yet again pointless to buy as it will be old tech"

im not tryin to have a dig or anythin, just tryin to set things straight as i see them (even if that is wrong lol) and im by no means a console fanboy

also as Kami said, that kinda links to my first paragraph in this post. there are plenty of people on here who wont upgrade to vista and dx10, i'm one of them. not cos im a console fanboy but cos i dont need to, XP's more stable at the min than its ever been in its life, its actualyl a half decent OS now

 

[Yewen]

Of course you could always play your 360 games in emulator on your 2010 PC...

BTW, I actually OWN consoles... Im not against them, and I know the benefits of them... what im saying is that if you have a PC, why buy an xBox?? Why not get a Wii and have a totally different gaming experience rather than more of the same...

I have a top end SLI PC, and a Megadrive, Xbox360, N64, Master System II.

All of those have there own exclusives, like racing games I love on the 360, same with beat em ups and platformers. The PC just does not offer me this. I have and will admit I hate FPS and strategy games on consoles, they just work better on PC.

But the games on the 360 are very different to that on PC if you look, there will always be cross platform titles, its so the game can be played by lots of people.

On a side note, I will also be getting a Wii at some point and second generation DX10 cards when some games are out that would utilise the new feature set.

The 360 is by no means outdated, as long as the games on it are fun then I do not give a pigeon what it looks like, find me Dead Rising on PC or a game like PGR3 and I will ditch the 360, I have found none in the five years I have ran a capeable gaming PC.

 

[Raumarik]

Well put Yewen!

I to love my FPS on the PC, I enjoy BF2 on the Xbox 360 but I'd much rather be using keyboard and mouse for it. But then again PGR, Dead Rising, Fight Night 3 etc are excellent and even if they were available on the PC I think they'd work better on the 360. I personally think Test Drive Unlimited will actually be better on the Xbox 360 than the PC version for various reasons, the interface works brilliantly with the 360 controller and I love knowing that people aren't trying to hack the saved games.

 

[MiGSY]

For a start, I prefer a PC because the games avaliable cater for my taste a hell of a lot better than any console has so far. My favourite game genres are FPS, RTS and MMORPG. Let's be honest, the PC does all of these types of games FAR better than any console.

Secondly, I like versatility and option for customization that comes with a PC. I like being able to tweak and control settings to get the very best in terms of gameplay and visuals. Also there's mods - User created mods that enhance visuals and gameplay. Can you get these on a console? No.

Thirdly, I like being able to upgrade hardware and software periodically so that I'm always experiencing the very best gaming has to offer. If I've got the money then why the hell shouldn't I? Can you do this with a console? No. Instead you're stuck with outdated and obsolete hardware and software for five years or so until the next console is released.

 

[Darkwave]

the reasonyou have to count monitor,keyboard,mouse and speakers when comparing price with 360

Yep, and again the console people forget the display. My entire PC costed £800. Oddly enough the same price my mate payed for his Xbox 360 and LG 720p TV.

I could easily build a PC with TV-out that can play Oblivion in better detail (mods, anisotropic texture filtering, better draw distance) than an Xbox 360 in 640x480 on a standard TV for £200 or less too.

 

[Gandalf501]

Kami

I would like to point out that you have purchased an xbox 360... So you are still going to be playing on it in 2010.... Following that logic, why didn't you carry on playing on your xbox instead... As im sure in 2010, a new xbox will be out...

cokecan72

Spot on. My PC has direct X. Therefore its equal to or surpasses an xbox. Direct X 10 is coming out on Vista Release. So..... By 2007, you xbox 360 will be a generation behind my PC. Now I would much prefer to purchase a Wii instead. As this offers truly a different gaming experience than a PC, or even the xbox360.

Phil99

I am saying that I wouldnt buy an Xbox 360, because by next year I will using Dx10... Wheras the xbox 360 is unable to upgrade... Now, a PS3 has a lot more horsepower than a 360 (on paper at least). At first the games will be equal to the 360, but if the PS3 is a success, then by the time the PS4 is in the rumour mill, the PS3 will be wiping the floor with the 360. At which point, it may even be the case, im running DX10.1... Or, if I want a different type of gaming experience I would buy a Wii.... Which doesnt even have next generation graphics...

To me, and its my own opinion. An xbox, is a subset of windows xp... (Which, it was based on...) As I have a PC, I already have this subset. If want a console experience, which I enjoy, then i dont want to playing on the same system (or subset). Therefore I wouldnt buy an xbox. And im sorry if this answer isnt suffecient for some people, I have tried my best, and im sorry if I have disappointed you... At the end of the day, its my own personal opinion. Let me be....

 

[Gandalf501]

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