Pc vs ps4

Tute said:
I expect Kaveri will give the PS4 a run for it's money in the value stakes.

[Edit]Looking at Richland/Trinity I would say they're playable at medium detail on 720p, and you could build a system with one of those for the price of a PS4.
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Yeah, but what would be the longivity of such machine?

2 years ? A PS4 will be around for at least 5-6 years.
 
I don't play PC games because of the graphics, I stopped caring about graphics years ago.

I play PC games because FPS games with a Joypad sucks gonads, if consoles had m&k support I'd buy one and probably dump the PC for gaming.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Of course the PC will be better, for one thing it'll likely to costs about twice as much.

What put the console in advantage is you can guarantee you can buy games for it more than half a decade down the line for it and run smooth at 30fps.

Much better value for money.
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PC games can cost nearly half price less then console counter part plus a ps4 or xbonx one cant play old PS/xbox games from previous generations while PC has a library that simply dwarfs over the console library.

Consoles have there place for sure though
 
Raymond Lin said:
Yeah, but what would be the longivity of such machine?

2 years ? A PS4 will be around for at least 5-6 years.
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Dont forget a PC can do more then just gaming.

Watch movies
web browsing
productive work such as for your photography needs etc etc.

To be honest a PC could be better value for more then you can think of as it can be used to make money to put food on your table and for entertainment.

wise investment.

You use quite a beefy PC or is it a macbook pro? even the macbook pro retina can play top quality games that look better then current gen and all whilst you edit your photo's, design your website etc etc under one machine :)
 
jonneymendoza said:
Dont forget a PC can do more then just gaming.

Watch movies
web browsing
productive work such as for your photography needs etc etc.

To be honest a PC could be better value for more then you can think of as it can be used to make money to put food on your table and for entertainment.

wise investment.

You use quite a beefy PC or is it a macbook pro? even the macbook pro retina can play top quality games that look better then current gen and all whilst you edit your photo's, design your website etc etc under one machine :)
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also the bonus of the pc is that once you upgrade the old parts aren't just thrown in the trash.

My old motherboard, 4gb ddr2 ram, 7770 gpu, 5200 x2 amd cpu and old psu/hd are in my media pc plugged into my 50inch TV. I use it for streaming sports and watching HD movies, not so useful for gaming other than indie games but I still use it. When I get an 8320 cpu soon my current 965 4 core will go to the media pc etc and I'll install steam os on it and stream games from my gaming pc when I want to play on the big screen.

PC gaming has a high start up cost but the cost of upgrading and gaming is actually cheap. Hd's, cases,psu, monitors, mice, keyboards aren't things you have to rebuy often If you buy smart. when i upgraded my pc all I needed to get was a new cpu, motherboard, ram, and gpu. I got that for around £350.

I run bf4 on ultra 1080 and the lowest I've seen the fps drop on 64 player maps is 38fps. I'll be damned if that's not value. bf4 only cost me £25 as well and i didn't need to pay no £40 a year subscription.
 
Yup i just recently stuck a £400 GPU, same cost of next gen consoles and it crushes BF4 for breakfest. im seeing fps up to 80-90fps at 1080p res on ultra settings.

i then moved my old gpu, a 580gtx into my HTPC which can also run BF4 pretty well now if i want to game in the sofa!

O and iu forgot to mention that my base system ie the cpu and mobo is 4 years old if not more and still damm well powerful. Only the gpu i have upgraded like twice in 4-5 years.
 
jonneymendoza said:
doubt it and this is one of my points really. a pc can do soo many things.
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Of course, a more fair view would be to compare the price of a decent GPU towards a price of a console because you'd already use the PC for anything else any way.


I also have 3 words for the haters: High resolution gaming.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Dont forget a PC can do more then just gaming.

Watch movies
web browsing
productive work such as for your photography needs etc etc.

To be honest a PC could be better value for more then you can think of as it can be used to make money to put food on your table and for entertainment.

wise investment.

You use quite a beefy PC or is it a macbook pro? even the macbook pro retina can play top quality games that look better then current gen and all whilst you edit your photo's, design your website etc etc under one machine :)
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I already have a i7/32G ram iMac, a 24" iMac, a MBP, an iPad, a netbook.

Which removes all the reasons you suggests about "do other things".

I would expect a lots of people already have access to computers that can do all the basic things that a computer can do but it would be onboard graphcis which sucks for games, so they would need to either spend money on a new machine or invest in a GFX in their existing machine. Probably the former as these cheap HP/Dell boxes are quite barebone for upgrade. Which means you are duplicating your needs.

I really doubt my MBP with intel graphics would be any good for any games. The only thing that would cut it is my new iMac, but then I would need to buy windows for it.

Now I ask you, how many people have a £2,000 iMac laying around and even so, you just upped the £400 cheap PC to 5 times the price.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I already have a i7/32G ram iMac, a 24" iMac, a MBP, an iPad, a netbook.

Which removes all the reasons you suggests about "do other things".

I would expect a lots of people already have access to computers that can do all the basic things that a computer can do but it would be onboard graphcis which sucks for games, so they would need to either spend money on a new machine or invest in a GFX in their existing machine. Probably the former as these cheap HP/Dell boxes are quite barebone for upgrade. Which means you are duplicating your needs.

I really doubt my MBP with intel graphics would be any good for any games. The only thing that would cut it is my new iMac, but then I would need to buy windows for it.

Now I ask you, how many people have a £2,000 iMac laying around and even so, you just upped the £400 cheap PC to 5 times the price.
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That's absolute rubbish, just because some people make the wrong decision of purchasing a HP/Dell pc from the purple shirt retailer doesn't mean that's the acceptable thing to do. That's like me complaining that I bought a Nintendo 64 for £25 when the Xbox 360 was available.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I already have a i7/32G ram iMac, a 24" iMac, a MBP, an iPad, a netbook.

Which removes all the reasons you suggests about "do other things".

I would expect a lots of people already have access to computers that can do all the basic things that a computer can do but it would be onboard graphcis which sucks for games, so they would need to either spend money on a new machine or invest in a GFX in their existing machine. Probably the former as these cheap HP/Dell boxes are quite barebone for upgrade. Which means you are duplicating your needs.

I really doubt my MBP with intel graphics would be any good for any games. The only thing that would cut it is my new iMac, but then I would need to buy windows for it.

Now I ask you, how many people have a £2,000 iMac laying around and even so, you just upped the £400 cheap PC to 5 times the price.
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You just proved my point. a copy of windows 7 is dirt cheap and costs less then buying two console games and u be able to play BF4 fine at same settings as these consoles without spending a single dime more.

Works out cheaper. £60 for a copy of windows and £30 for BF4 or whatever PC game u fancy and thats far cheaper then £350 + £40 for ps4 and bf4 whilst being able to use that same machine to do your productive work.

No one has to spend 2k on a pc to play games. Mine cost over 1k because i had money to waste. My htpc however costs £400 to make and i just slapped on a £200ish performance GPU which altogether sets me back £600 for a gaming HTPC that can play almost every single PC game known to man at highest settings at 1080p res.

Now what happens if the system cant cope with BF5?

slap on another £200-£300 GPU and away i go.

That is what i have been doing on my main PC which is what? 5 years old now and still laughs at every game i throw at it as the CPU is still not breaking a sweat?

Anyways even with these barebones systems, you slap on a £200 gpu and a £100 PSU(high quality one) and your good to go. thats still cheapper then £350.

Every single Dell PC u buy now has a far superior CPU then what i have.

mine is 5 years old and has a i7 920 which is very old.

No dell PC has that and all have Haswell or even Ivy intel based systems. Win win.

If someone has £500-£600 to spend initialy or have a decent Dell desktop already thats 2-3 years old. they can go for a pc system.

The moto is you get what you pay for..

Your imac could churn out PC games for fun mate. Try it
 
franco_22 said:
That's absolute rubbish, just because some people make the wrong decision of purchasing a HP/Dell pc from the purple shirt retailer doesn't mean that's the acceptable thing to do. That's like me complaining that I bought a Nintendo 64 for £25 when the Xbox 360 was available.
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The funny thing is i could take any of those Dell/HP pc's and instaly turn it into a pc capable of running bf4 with spare £300 only
 
franco_22 said:
That's absolute rubbish, just because some people make the wrong decision of purchasing a HP/Dell pc from the purple shirt retailer doesn't mean that's the acceptable thing to do. That's like me complaining that I bought a Nintendo 64 for £25 when the Xbox 360 was available.
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No, you missed the point entirely.

The point is that all these "other things" which your gaming PC can do somehow add value. My point is all these things that a gaming PC can do, people already have the means to do it in. So there is no additional benefit of having this gaming PC.

If you have no computers, tablets or laptops at all then his point stands, but let me ask you this.

Who in this day and age, has no computers, tablets and laptop turns around and wants to get right into PC gaming? And would such people put PC gaming at the top of his criteria when buying a computer or would "emails, net surfing and Facebook" be at the top of their list?

Also, those that advocate PC gaming is better value for money, please please please answer these few questions for me. It's very basic....

1 - how many computers do you have at home?
2 - how much is your gaming PC cost? (Everything, from OS, screen, to the mouse and keyboard, even if it's secondhand)
3 - when was the last time you upgraded its hardware?
4 - when do you plan the next upgrade and what and how much will it be?
5 - do you think you can play every game that comes out on the PC in a playable resolution and frame rate to your liking until the year 2020 with your current computer?

There is no right or wrong answer, just what you have done, some numbers and expectations.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
You just proved my point. a copy of windows 7 is dirt cheap and costs less then buying two console games and u be able to play BF4 fine at same settings as these consoles without spending a single dime more.

Works out cheaper. £60 for a copy of windows and £30 for BF4 or whatever PC game u fancy and thats far cheaper then £350 + £40 for ps4 and bf4 whilst being able to use that same machine to do your productive work.

No one has to spend 2k on a pc to play games. Mine cost over 1k because i had money to waste. My htpc however costs £400 to make and i just slapped on a £200ish performance GPU which altogether sets me back £600 for a gaming HTPC that can play almost every single PC game known to man at highest settings at 1080p res.

Now what happens if the system cant cope with BF5?

slap on another £200-£300 GPU and away i go.

That is what i have been doing on my main PC which is what? 5 years old now and still laughs at every game i throw at it as the CPU is still not breaking a sweat?

Anyways even with these barebones systems, you slap on a £200 gpu and a £100 PSU(high quality one) and your good to go. thats still cheapper then £350.

Every single Dell PC u buy now has a far superior CPU then what i have.

mine is 5 years old and has a i7 920 which is very old.

No dell PC has that and all have Haswell or even Ivy intel based systems. Win win.

If someone has £500-£600 to spend initialy or have a decent Dell desktop already thats 2-3 years old. they can go for a pc system.

The moto is you get what you pay for..

Your imac could churn out PC games for fun mate. Try it
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Slap in a £200 GFX and a £100 PSU lol

You forgot one thing, you have to have a machine in the first place, a machine that costs money. If you don't have such machine, where do you slap it into? My kitchen table?

And sure, my iMac can run PC games for fun, and sure, it'll only cost £70 for the OS.

You also forgot it also cost me £2,000 to begin with. Did you just write that off?

I may have such luxury, not everyone does.
 
Raymond Lin said:
1 - how many computers do you have at home?
2 - how much is your gaming PC cost? (Everything, from OS, screen, to the mouse and keyboard, even if it's secondhand)
3 - when was the last time you upgraded its hardware?
4 - when do you plan the next upgrade and what and how much will it be?
5 - do you think you can play every game that comes out on the PC in a playable resolution and frame rate to your liking until the year 2020?

There is no right or wrong answer, just what you have done, some numbers and expectations.
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1- One
2- £700 including Monitor /etc.
3- Every 3 years.
4- Now (Computer bought in Jan 2011)
5- No but I can't play console games at a frame rate I'd like either, for example Dead Rising 3: 20fps at 720p.



My next monitor upgrade will be a 2500x1400 monitor, which console lets me play games at that resolution? Most console games are still 720p! What a joke.

The graphics on my PS3 are absolutely terrible, I used to be a Sony fanboy but I can not play console games any more, PCs have spoiled me too much.

Other things:

Mouse and Keyboard
Better frame rates
Better Graphics
RTS games
MOBAS
MMORPGs
M/K makes any FPS game better.
Modding community
Games are a lot cheaper ( you can pick up titles on Steam for less than £10)
Indie gaming
Dedicated servers


Let's be honest, we can argue about this all day but you can't tell me with a straight face that console gaming is better than PC gaming.

Also I find it pretty ironic that you bought a £2000 Mac and are complaining about the price of a gaming PC ...
 
I never ever said console gaming is betters than PC gaming, or vice versa.

I said console is better value than PC for games.

Your numbers just suggest you spend £1400 in the life of a console, which proves my point?

Nobody here has ever, at least me, has ever said one platform is superior for games than the other, only you...

As for games are cheaper, it'll be a lot of games before you make it back from that £1000 deficit.

P.s. My iMac is for work, tax deductible. The ironic thing isn't how much is cost, the irony is I can't claim a console under expenses but I can for my iMac. Hell, I can build a gaming PC and claim that too so to bring the cost down and suit your argument but I don't, simply because it doesn't apply for everyone.

Please don't bring "modding community, and graphic and such and such specifics" as it applies or both. I mean I know 1 person in real life who plays PC games, but I know 10 who has an xbox. That to me is more a community than a faceless person I've never met online.

Also. GTA 5? Or any other console exclusives?

Like I said, when you go into stuff like that, each has its own advantages and disadvantages. I am saying console is better value for money. That's all.

Oh, as for graphics, please......one of my most time consumed games I've ever played was
Tetrix on the original gameboy! Graphic does not equal good games.
 
I kind of detest people who only reads snippets of stuff such as you because if you did read my post properly you would not assume I said you can just get a gpu and PSU

Learn how to bloody read.
 
You slap in a £200 GPU in a £400 machine? So now it costs £600? And you also have a £1000 PC?

So your argument is still that it is good value for money? You keep throwing numbers around, put in £200 here, put in £300 there, the machine was £400, another one that is £1000.

Then you say a console is £350.

Seriously?

You are just making my point...a PC needs upgrade.

You still haven't rebutted the question of longevity of these machines. Do you think you can still use them up until 2020?
 
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