Pentagon releases UFO footage

Pottsey said:
Not just 27,000 feet. The plane was over the Ocean leaving land behind it with the hit coming from the front of the plane the direction away from land. Plus the damage was indicative of a substantial metallic object impacting the intake which a bullet is not substantial. I don't see anything in that balloon video that would be classed as a substantial metallic object and would cause the damage described.
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Sure yes I don't disagree so far. Whatever it was the object was it was unwilling/unable/unaware to move out of the way of a plane engine - and even be on a flight path to begin with.

A few updates on metabunk page, querying that the only report of this is from the one tweet and the air safety report that is apparently since been updated but no source can be found or verified. Usually plane engine failures and emergency landings are in the news even a little bit.

www.metabunk.org

Ryan Graves: Whistleblow describes metal object striking Gulfstream Jet

Source: https://twitter.com/uncertainvector/status/1875635552399081726 Ryan Graves 12:08 PM · Jan 4, 2025 A whistleblower came to ASA regarding a mid air collision between a Gulfstream jet and an unidentified metallic object that occurred off the coast of Florida on December 11 at...
www.metabunk.org www.metabunk.org

Your dislike for that site seems irrelevant, you can dismiss their findings I guess. I find it helpful to confirm rather than assume something.
 
I have not watched the whole thing yet but this looks rather interesting, will add an edit once finished.

This documentary examines unidentified aerial phenomenon. With testimony from high-ranking government officials, and NASA Astronauts, Senator Harry Reid says it "makes the incredible credible."Directed By: James Fox
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Probably the single best documentary on the subject there covers official records all the way back to the mid 1900s, documents incidents witnessed by scientists, teachers, the soviets, Europe,m USA and lets the people themselves do the talking. The early photos taken like that polaroid and the description of the way these ovals and saucers flew was the same back then as it is with sightings today. Even interviews with the very people who have been running the programs investigating the UAP stuiff for decades.
 
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Pottsey said:
Seems unlikely with the type of damage described and all the talk of collision with something made of metal.
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I'm just offering a counter to the low information zone speculation. I don't actually know what it is.

At 500mph the pilots would have seen the object for about 3 secs. Eyewitness accounts are nearly meaningless. If it was something shiny it could have been a Mylar balloon with a payload.

Ryan Graves needs to do more checking into things before releasing information to avoid the UAP community running with wild low information zone speculation. The reputation of the ASA is at steak. I don't want people to laugh at my ASA hoodie.
 
Seems to happen a lot. A grand claim is made but after it's been discovered and explained there is no acknowledgement or clarification from the original pontificator to announce 'we now know what this is'.


A recent Star Talk podcast talked about what would be actually helpful - an app where people can report sightings and uploads photos and videos which include and make use of the metadata. But so far the app hasn't been made.

 
seems like every single one gets debunked.... too many idiots out there who can't identify common every day occurrences.

everyone under 25 are the kinds of people in the past you would say "they have lived a very sheltered life" to not know obvious common things.

Dopamine for likes and view counts destroyed humans. someone needs to make a wegovy for it
 
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jigger said:
So what are you ruling in exactly?
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It seems unlikely but perhaps a metal bolt or something like that got lose and came off the front of the plane and went into the engine. A drone is possible though given the location its would more likely have to be a military grade drone which has the problem those tends to be too large to match the damage so that seems unlikly. Could be a payload from a weather balloon that had no transponder or the transponder broke.

Like I said many times. I am happy for things to be debunked but the debunks have to match the facts and evidence. If the damage is described as by a metal object with substantial mass and metal debris is found. Then I don't find it saying its just a fat bird case closed as reasonable. Neither do I find it it reasonable to say bullets shot from the ground for the reasons I stated last week.
 
MookJong said:
Rumblings that a new whistleblower is about to come forward this month. Feels like the days before Grusch went public...
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Wonder if its going to be Randy Anderson who as far as I am aware doesn't have the interesting background or access levels that made Grusch stand out. Grusch seems to be credible (I am on about his official statement that point of view) not from the point of view of his interviews. I am not convinced about Randy Anderson if it even is him.
 
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Pottsey said:
Wonder if its going to be Randy Anderson who as far as I am aware doesn't have the interesting background or access levels that made Grusch stand out. Grusch seems to be credible (I am on about his official statement that point of view) not from the point of view of his interviews. I am not convinced about Randy Anderson if it even is him.
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Is it this guy:
 
Quoted from last year:

Felon said:
it's just a re-spin of the same Ross Coulthart / Luis Elizondo / Matt Gaetz / Newsnation garbage that keeps going around, you watch - in another 3-6 months I'll all re-spin and go around again.
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And now look, here we go again:
MookJong said:
Rumblings that a new whistleblower is about to come forward this month. Feels like the days before Grusch went public...
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This bunch of scammers is so easy to predict, they say some dumb ****, get the money from the clicks - then by the time it's all blown over and forgotten, they need to do it again to make more cash, and it's Newsnation again, AND Ross Coulthart AGAIN.

These people are just taking the **** :D
 
Felon said:
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And now look, here we go again:


This bunch of scammers is so easy to predict, they say some dumb ****, get the money from the clicks - then by the time it's all blown over and forgotten, they need to do it again to make more cash, and it's Newsnation again, AND Ross Coulthart AGAIN.

These people are just taking the **** :D
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How do you explain they keep finding people who's backgrounds check out, there work colleagues are backing them up and they often pass evidence to multiple investigation teams who say the evidence is credible? I don't get the logic behind this scam idea of yours or how its meant to works.

So according to you somehow Newsnation and Ross have infiltrated not only to the highest ranks of government and military departments, they also infiltrated into classified departments that we didn't even know was real departments until recently and convinced entire departments to run this scam for less money then they earn from there jobs and also somehow bribed/convinced at least 3 diffrent internal investigation teams from other departments to also go along with this scam and also fooled Congress who did field trips to the locations provided and came back convinced.

We are talking about people on up to £130k jobs apparently giving up those jobs and risk losing £1+ million pension posts to apparently scam people out of low values of money compared to how much they could have earnt and then splitting that perhaps as little as 5k between a large group of people. How does money as a motivation make any logical sense?

I know some of them like Mick West and Geer come across as only interested in clicks and money and I don't trust those BS artists. I can agree your scam theory fits them. But I am not convinced the others are running a scam for money as it doesn't logically make sense and the network and infrastructure deep into government and military departments required to pull this off is just unbelievable and would cost 100x fold more cash then they would make from scamming like this.
 
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Pottsey said:
How do you explain
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You watch - within 6-12 months this next guy will get forgotten, and then the same bunch of cranks will pull out somebody new with a fresh joke/story.

If you haven’t figured this out by now, there’s no hope.

All of this talk about “what about their backgrounds” or “super high ranking people said this or that” - is all totally meaningless without evidence, absolutely meaningless.
 
Felon said:
You watch - within 6-12 months this next guy will get forgotten, and then the same bunch of cranks will pull out somebody new with a fresh joke/story.

If you haven’t figured this out by now, there’s no hope.

All of this talk about “what about their backgrounds” or “super high ranking people said this or that” - is all totally meaningless without evidence, absolutely meaningless.
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This completely negates the fact that the DOD admits that these programs exist and that a Phenomenon is real. At this point it is more ridiculous to think this is a scam than not.

What you could believe is that the DOD has been funding programs that simply chased shadows, but I'm much more confident that this isn't the case now.
 
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MookJong said:
This completely negates the fact that the DOD admits that these programs exist and that a Phenomenon is real.
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“This phenomenon is real”?

So presumably that applies to the account from the fraudster above, who claims to have dropped guys out of a helicopter next to a giant alien egg ufo?
 
Felon said:
All of this talk about “what about their backgrounds” or “super high ranking people said this or that” - is all totally meaningless without evidence, absolutely meaningless.
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It’s not meaningless as it not only goes against what seems to be a completely made up story by you, it also goes further and seems to disprove your made up story. While also reinforcing Grusch story.


Felon said:
“So presumably that applies to the account from the fraudster above, who claims to have dropped guys out of a helicopter next to a giant alien egg ufo?”
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See this is the problem. He does not seem to be a fraudster as all accounts seem to show he is who is says he is. Which is an US Air Force veteran who did do what he said he role was. I have seen clips of the 4k high resolution footage that is reported as him as the pilot of the military helicopter for the crash recovery teams. Based on current info he really did hold that job as being the helicopter pilot for the crash recovery teams and really did seem to drop of the teams at the sites then flew the debris whatever the debris was back to base. Some which does appear to be debris that was white egg shaped. Which in my mind means its more likely classified military hardware which often has a white dome shaped to its design which could be interpreted as egg shaped.

Now if you want to argue his interpretation of what he recovered is wrong that’s fine. But him being sent to recover unknown craft that he doesn’t recognise doesn’t make him a fraudster. It’s certainly possible or even likely his interpretations are wrong or partly incorrect about the source of what he recovered. But I think he generally believes what he is saying which doesn’t make him a scammer out to get money.
 
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