Man of Honour
So what is the takeaway here, the future hangs in the balance?
Pentagon releases UFO footage
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Soldato
LOL@ "you need to elevate to the media so we avoid a world war because this is a MAD situation": the very thing why you shouldn't go talking to the media.
Associate
Keep sending random crap out into the UAP world and see what sticks?
What happened with the drones recently, did they have Christmas and New Year off?
What happened with the drones recently, did they have Christmas and New Year off?
Associate
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Sending mass random crap out to cover up real events and hide what the military wants to keep hidden is a practice/tactic the US military have used for decades. Its been proven the US military has been creating and disseminating mass disinformation on UFO's for many years.
No the UAPs didn't have Christmas/new year off. They where still being seen all around the world. What do you make of that? There was even a mid air collision of a UAP that occurred off the coast of Florida in December at approximately 27,000 feet and resulted in engine failure and an emergency landing. Events like this are why I have always said this is a serious matter and people shouldn't be making fun of it.
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Associate
Sounds very much like confirmation bias. What are the top 3 videos this week? this thread doesn't seem get anything good/convincing. I already did some searching and pasted what I found above
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It’s not confirmation bias. Though that does remind me of that time you demonstrated very strong confirmation bias.Sounds very much like confirmation bias. What are the top 3 videos this week? this thread doesn't seem get anything good/convincing. I already did some searching and pasted what I found above
There was a major case involving Counter Intelligence officer Roy Doty which ended up with his target in a mental institute due to the military disinformation being fed to him. Its reported the US military went as far as breaking into the mans home and put spy hardware around the home and put spy software on the computer to feed fake info into the community. A long story cut short the target had a full on metal breakdown directly caused by the disinformation being fed to him from the military intelligence officers and a vast amount of fake UFO information was fed into the community.
As for your searching and videos that proves nothing. Not sure what the point of the videos are?
To asnwer your question the top one this week is the mid-air collision between a UAP’s with I think it was Flight N553RB that collided with a UAP at approximately 27,000 feet and resulted in engine failure and an emergency landing. The altitude is too high for hobby drones and illegal for any drone, there is no biological indicator of a bird strike, a weather balloon would have had an active transponder, video of the engine shows metal damage. This altitude is highly regulated Class A airspace that requires flight plans and transponders. Yet an unknown metal UAP was flying without a transponder and collided with the aircraft nearly killing everyone on board.
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Associate
Will you let me know which information is fake and which is real?
I didn't get much googling Flight N553RB but Metabunk is my usual starting place. https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ry...s-metal-object-striking-gulfstream-jet.13915/
Ryan Graves quoted:
"I am concerned the incident is being downplayed by FAA. The report is being classified it as an "incident" and not an "accident," which would require public announcement, investigation by NTSB, and an explanation. What is going on here?"
The FAA have a classification system of 'incident vs accident' and in this case as it's only engine damage they classify it as 'incident'. When it's an incident the FAA doesn't need to make the information public, so of course the UAP community have something to jump on and turn it into something!
With lack of any other info Mick West is guessing balloon with payload. Like a youtuber sending garlic bread to the edge of space or something. Maybe a Chinese balloon!?! But then for balance maybe an American balloon can take out a Chinese plane engine and we can call it even.
Its not my job to vet and fact check every single bit of information for you. There is a ton of fake and nonsense information out there either pumped out by people like US military by Counter Intelligence officers or via the media hysteria like the videos that you keep posting and other sources. I don’t even know why you keep posting all those nonsense videos.
Mick West talks a lot of rubbish and makes up fake and unproven explanations to write things off. I really don’t care what he thinks as he comes across as a BS artiest like Greer. Any weather balloons at that attitude have to have a flight plan and a transponder. 27,000 feet over the Gulfstream is to far out and too high for a typical Youtuber hobbie drone or balloon. The damage also doesn’t match a balloon.
EDIT: Events like this are why the subject should be taken seriously and not joked about. There are clearly a number of illegal UAP flying in areas they shouldn't be and in this case a plane could have gone down in the ocean if the damage was any worse. Yet people still want to joke and laugh about all this like its nonsense. Pilots have been talking about UAP near miss's for years and said its only a matter of time before a collusion takes place. Now a collision has happened and it was lucky it wasnt worse.
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Associate
I posted a typical video of a blury planet/star that people seem to recently think are orbs of some kind advanced tech(?) and a busy airport show all the crazy crap in the airspace. I thought both videos were interesting in the context of this thread.. you seem a bit on edge, you ok?
Mick West started that thread but I'm not quoting from him that was someone else, who also went on to say:
(re: FAA 'incident vs accident' classification)
"I am not a pilot, and I know this. Ryan Graves is a pilot, and in daily contact with civil jet pilots, and ought to know this, or have someone available he can readily ask. He is the head of an organisation whose titular concern is aerospace safety, and does not know what types of events call for a mandatory safety investigation."
I take UAPs reports seriously, so seriously I try and find as much information/data about that claim. You should definitely ask the FAA or some other body in America to as well.
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Yes, I am ok. I just don’t understand why you keep posting video after video of random crap as you put it, that isn’t interesting. The only thing your doing is dilating this thread with nonsense easily explained videos.
What is the point of the 20th+ video of an idiot or click bait article pointing at a blurry planet/star/plane?
Just a few posts above this one you posted a video of normal planes landing at an everyday airport without any explanation. It didn’t have anything to do with advance tech, UFO’s or anything to do with this thread. The video you posted before that was a typical Culture Wars style click bait “Must Watch.... Sound WAY UP” nonsense video. That’s not really what this thread is about.
Yes you quoted Ryan Graves who said
“the object being substantial enough to penetrate the fan blades and significantly damage the internals of the engine. There is also a report of a large circular indentation on the leading edge of the engine intake- indicative of a substantial metallic object impacting the intake.”
So again I am not sure what your point is? You talked about a balloon but the location, style of the damage seems to rule out a balloon being a possibility.
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Associate
I just search for 'uap' on twitter and that's what I find! Orb Jesus it also has #UAP for some reason. They should use #UAP4real instead for the real ones.
I'm not disputing what Ryan Graves says I'm disputing his spin on the same public information everyone has. We don't know what caused the damage and neither does the investigation, case closed.
Here's a link showing some birds flying at 27,000 feet btw https://www.nsf.gov/news/mmg/mmg_disp.jsp?med_id=69151&from= maybe it hit a fat bird.
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Which is fine if you want to search that stuff. But this isn’t really the thread to be dropping random junk video links in without explanation. Everyone knows there is a bunch of click bait/nonsense out there. It doesn’t really need to be blindly copy and pasted in this thread without explanation over and over again.
This isn’t a thread about people looking at planes landing at an airport or people filming Venus and shouting out Jesus loves me.
As for Ryan Graves he doesn’t just have the same public information as the rest of us. How can you say that after saying you take this subject seriously? Do you know what Ryan Grave is famous for in this thread without looking him up? Can you asnwer that without using a search?
Ryan Graves isn’t just a random member of the public commenting on the same public information everyone else has.
So a big fat bird that’s made of metal and left metal residue and metal debris behind when it hit the engine is your explanation. That’s its case closed. You’re not looking at this seriously at all are you.
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Who Ryan Grave is is the least important thing. What he says and accompanying evidence (there's that word again) he provides is what is important. If he's another voice saying incredible things without evidence then it's more noise.
The Flight N553RB report link https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/465804
"The aircraft struck a bird or UAS and post flight inspection revealed damage to the right engine cowling."
If the investigation team doesn't know if it's a bird or UAS then neither does Ryan Grave. But he pontificates as if he does?
You would have to take it up with that website, maybe report wrong information?
"This information is added by users of ASN. Neither ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this information. If you feel this information is incomplete or incorrect, you can submit corrected information."
The Flight N553RB report link https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/465804
"The aircraft struck a bird or UAS and post flight inspection revealed damage to the right engine cowling."
If the investigation team doesn't know if it's a bird or UAS then neither does Ryan Grave. But he pontificates as if he does?
You would have to take it up with that website, maybe report wrong information?
"This information is added by users of ASN. Neither ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this information. If you feel this information is incomplete or incorrect, you can submit corrected information."
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Well, it does say right at the top “This information is added by users of ASN. Neither ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this information.“ it also says bird or UAS which upon further investigation it was UAS not a bird.
Rayne Graves is not the least important thing. He is a major part of why this thread exists in the first place. He is directly related to why this thread was created and we spent years talking about him.
He is also the founder of the Americans for Safe Aerospace (ASA) where the report was filed at. Ryan Graves who sits on the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics Integration & Outreach Committee and is the one that made a post about this as it was reported to ASA where he is the Founder. Ryan is the one that gave us all the extra information directly form the report.
““the object being substantial enough to penetrate the fan blades and significantly damage the internals of the engine. There is also a report of a large circular indentation on the leading edge of the engine intake- indicative of a substantial metallic object impacting the intake.”
“Foreign object debris was inbedded into the engine cowling”
Associate
Sooo is the report secret? I can't comment on things I can't see/read. I just have some sentences to go on. But sounds great so far.
Also there isn't much information about the ASA beyond their website and then a lot of UFO websites linking to it. The second google result it this page and no wiki page (which raises a red flag for me): https://aliengraph.wiki/️+Organizations+and+Programs/️+Americans+for+Safe+Aerospace
ASA sounds impressive though
"Mission
Let's identify what's in our skies
Americans for Safe Aerospace is a military pilot led nonprofit organization dedicated to aerospace safety and national security with a focus on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP).
We are the world's largest UAP organization by members and we work with Congress and government stakeholders.
Identifying objects in our airspace and eliminating domain awareness gaps is critical to U.S. aviation safety and national security."
Cool merch https://store.safeaerospace.org/
My vote is it was a bird. I have flow many (paper) airplanes in the past so I understand how these things work.
Second guess: bullet! someone thought it was a drone and shot at it.
Also there isn't much information about the ASA beyond their website and then a lot of UFO websites linking to it. The second google result it this page and no wiki page (which raises a red flag for me): https://aliengraph.wiki/️+Organizations+and+Programs/️+Americans+for+Safe+Aerospace
ASA sounds impressive though
"Mission
Let's identify what's in our skies
Americans for Safe Aerospace is a military pilot led nonprofit organization dedicated to aerospace safety and national security with a focus on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP).
We are the world's largest UAP organization by members and we work with Congress and government stakeholders.
Identifying objects in our airspace and eliminating domain awareness gaps is critical to U.S. aviation safety and national security."
Cool merch https://store.safeaerospace.org/
Second guess: bullet! someone thought it was a drone and shot at it.
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