Pentagon releases UFO footage

Screeeech said:
Yes, I've watched the footage several times, and also a number of different analysis of it.
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Do you happen to have a link, (or anything) to the actual 1st hand statements written or verbal by any of the actual other pilots, and / or the radar operator?
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One of the pilots (female) in the original Joe Rogan podcast in the other plane at the time was not being disclosed. The other video I watched she was in the narrative (she is in the video with fravor). From what I gathered, the co-pilots and her didn't want crazy people harassing them so didn't want any of the media attention and they certainly during their career didn't want the story as it basically a smear on your work as it labels you (from what I gathered). He was the squad leader or whatever the title is and the statements of all the four of them was done in their debriefing - it was followed up shockingly many years later by a government guy who fravor says did a pretty accurate job considering they took that long to officialise it.

I am not a UFO nut, for the record, I do like to check out stuff from time to time to relax. There is bound to be some on this thread who have documented, copied or transcript most of this to do a better job than me and save me searching google (which you and anyone else can do).

I watched the two versions of the same persons 'story' within about three weeks of watching the other. My memory is terrible, the older I get declines, yet I am still able to recall the videos enough to know that it wasnt one pilot with a fantasy story which your unfairly painting a picture of.
 
The people from the world of UFOs love the mystery and potential conspiracy, its all part of the UFO lore. Spoiler alert, nothing will come from the new data later this month.
 
Th0nt said:
One of the pilots (female) in the original Joe Rogan podcast in the other plane at the time was not being disclosed. The other video I watched she was in the narrative (she is in the video with fravor). From what I gathered, the co-pilots and her didn't want crazy people harassing them so didn't want any of the media attention and they certainly during their career didn't want the story as it basically a smear on your work as it labels you (from what I gathered). He was the squad leader or whatever the title is and the statements of all the four of them was done in their debriefing - it was followed up shockingly many years later by a government guy who fravor says did a pretty accurate job considering they took that long to officialise it.
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So, presumably you see the problem?

We have allegedly more than five different people, (four pilots and at least one person fromm the systems side on the carrier) seeing some of this stuff. Yet for some reason, only two of them are somehow willing to come out, (everyone else seems to be very silent) sit in lots of media interviews, and recount something which doesn't have an ounce of actual evidence to back it up, other than their own words? And that's somehow expected to hold water and actually be classed as credible?

I think it's perfectly reasonable and fair to allege that Fravor and his co pilot had plenty of time to cook up a sexy story for shock value, that they could sell to the likes of 60 minutes? with no video evidence (or any evidence) to help prove or disprove their claims, they can say whatever the hell they like, yet because they're esteemed navy pilots - the news media are champing at the bit to get the story.

At a stretch, I could believe that they might have seen something completely benign they didn't understand, or misinterpreted yet - over time, the thing has become so distorted, blown up and exaggerated that it no longer reflects the original incident at all.


Richdog said:
Annnnd with that non-sensical (in the context of this situation) argument, lets just agree to disagree so I don't waste time arguing stupid. :)
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Well, you were earlier claiming that simply because there have been lots of reported sightings, that somehow means something, whereas in reality it doesn't.

What matters is evidence, and the evidence put forth is either rubbish, or doesn't back up the principle claims being made in any shape or form.
 
I am not really going to bite anymore. I am not a ufo believer, but I used to really enjoy the x files! :)

I still stand that trying to snipe that a navy pilot with a reasonable story with actual footage off his plane, a handful of witnesses of said event are much better stories to digest than little green men shenanigans and Geiger counter wielding agents saying an object was here type scenarios.

David Fravor...made all manner of crazy claims about what he saw. A tic-tac shaped object, hovering above the ocean, then it disappeared at 50kmph or whatever - none of it can be backed up at all, and there's zero evidence of it, apart from a video taken from another plane on a different date, which appears to show a migratory bird, (probably a goose).

From my standpoint, he just looks like an attention whore and a liar - I have no reason to take him seriously.
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You seem to have gone silent after I said it was not just his story but in a later interview the pilot of another plane who was there has supported his events.
 
Th0nt said:
I still stand that trying to snipe that a navy pilot with a reasonable story with actual footage off his plane, a handful of witnesses of said event are much better stories to digest than little green men shenanigans and Geiger counter wielding agents saying an object was here type scenarios.
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Just to be clear - there is no footage from David Fravors plane, or any footage of the incident that he described from 2004 involving the tic-tac etc. The videos released by the Pentagon (gofast and gimble) were from 2013-2014, from completely different flight crews.
 
Th0nt said:
I am not really going to bite anymore. I am not a ufo believer, but I used to really enjoy the x files! :)
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U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either

When people like me and you see headlines like this we take it for what it is but others read and add things between the lines.
 

35:49 is the spooky bit, not sure what games they are trying to play but his response when asked about having aliens/spacecraft is interesting, I am still firmly in the camp of show me actual undeniable truth, but all of this is very interesting even if it all turns out to be nothing :)
 
Maximum Triceratops said:

35:49 is the spooky bit, not sure what games they are trying to play but his response when asked about having aliens/spacecraft is interesting, I am still firmly in the camp of show me actual undeniable truth, but all of this is very interesting even if it all turns out to be nothing :)
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What the hell was that?! He was straight out asked if the Pentagon had alien crafts and bodies and he totally avoided the question.

Q: There's no way that I can, like, sugar-coat this, I was talking to a gentleman about the UAP report and he contends that the Pentagon has alien bodies and crafts, so I just want to run this past you, does DOD have these things and if so where?

A: Er, Jeff, erm, the UAP task force is er, really designed to, erm, look at these Unexplained Aerial Phenomena to try to help us, er, er, get a better understanding of them, again I'm not going to get ahead of the er, report that the DNI will submit that we are helping, obviously, and supplying input to, erm and I'll just leave it at that, Jeff.
 
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I want to be amazed, I want that culture shock that we are only bit players in the universe... There's just nothing convincing. With the amount of civilian recording going on, there should be a wealth of material that proves beyond doubt that there's aliens flying about, but there isn't
 
d_brennen said:
I want to be amazed, I want that culture shock that we are only bit players in the universe... There's just nothing convincing. With the amount of civilian recording going on, there should be a wealth of material that proves beyond doubt that there's aliens flying about, but there isn't
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The thing is we apparently don't have the technology to record such things with good visuals yet. Recording very fast-moving distant objects is tough at the best of times. If the military can't even get a decent recording of these things, the average man on the street with a Samsung isn't going to be able to.

Here's a long and interesting article which posits that they are foreign drones.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...he-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos


Is it time for a sequel to The Birds? The Drones :D
 
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Maximum Triceratops said:

35:49 is the spooky bit, not sure what games they are trying to play but his response when asked about having aliens/spacecraft is interesting, I am still firmly in the camp of show me actual undeniable truth, but all of this is very interesting even if it all turns out to be nothing :)
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Very interesting and i will share my thoughts. Throughout the first questioning at 30:00-31:20:

1) He was to my eye and ear deeply uncomfortable with the UAP topic, he stuttered and struggled for words in his responses. This indicates that he is very nervous with the information he possesses and is struggling to find extremely generic wording that can not later be used against him.

2) He called them incursions; very specific language which indicates that events involving things that should not be in US airspace have taken place. He did not say "reported incursions" or "supposed incursions", he just outright said "we take all incursions into our operating spaces seriously".

3) He gives strong signs that it is considered a national security concern. It could potentially contain involve safety and/or national security concerns... absolutely.". People don't normally add that a definitive qualifier like that to the end of a sentence unless it is the case.

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4) This initial pause showed that this question took him completely by surprise, he really was not expecting it. He immediately clams up for a couple of seconds, knowing that he is fully on display. He wasn't amused. When he said "lets just leave it there" it was done in a tetchy way that said: "I don't want to talk about this any more as it makes me nervous and worried".

Every other topic I saw him talking about during that briefing is, in comparison to the UAP questions, calmly handled. The moment he has to talk about UAP's he starts to struggle and is not able to deal with it smoothly. If there was nothing to it, and he knew that there was nothing to it, there is imo little chance he would have that kind of uncomfortable reaction and have used that kind of wording.

I would love to see The Behaviour Panel analyze that video. :)
 
I thought it would be over analytical to think that, as it is clear he is trying to think how to phrase the question given the focus of the UAP research.

Do you think this guy actually knows that aliens were operated on at roswell?

Isn't he just a spoke person?
 
Digital X said:
That's what I thought too, clearly uncomfortable, but so would I be.
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True I would be uncomfortable too, but unlike you and me he is a trained public speaker representing the most powerful Government on Earth.

Lysander said:
He could have always said, "no, we don't have such things".

But he didn't. He just totally avoided the question.
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Yup, it was about as awkward as as a response to something like that gets and shows that they can no longer laugh it off as in previous years.

The Running Man said:
IIsn't he just a spoke person?
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Just' a spokesperson? John Kirby was a navy rear admiral and now serves as Press Secretary, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs and at the same time as Spokesperson for the Department of Defense. He is a very senior figure and his clearance for classified information will be high.
 
The report due later this month is coming from the DNI (I had to google it) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_National_Intelligence I take that to mean, this isn't the time or place to be askin about aliens mate.

Q: Hey, John, happy birthday. There's no way that I can like sugarcoat this. I was talking to a gentleman about the UAP report, and he contends the Pentagon has alien bodies and crafts. So I just wanted to run this past you. Does DOD have these things? And if so, where?

MR. KIRBY: The UAP Task Force is really designed to take a look at these unexplained aerial phenomena, try to help us get a better understanding of them. Again, I'm not going to get ahead of the report that DNI will submit that we are helping obviously, and providing input to. And I'll just leave it at that, Jeff. Yeah.
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https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Tr...ecretary-john-f-kirby-holds-a-press-briefing/

OR they have a no aliens talk on birthdays policy.
 
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