Pentax releasing full frame(35MM) dSLR this year

Richdog · 14 Feb 2016 at 20:02

hux said:
Said in jest, besides you bit which says more about you, did you not smell a trap

I went for Pentax as it's fits me to a tee. In fit and finish it's a joy to hold and use.

Nikon are buttons akimbo, they're everywhere and Canon felt simplistic cheap and plasticky, for the price I'd have expected better.

All good! Can't say I feel my D750 has too many buttons... as soon as you get used to the layout then it's very intuitive to change the essentials. All a matter of preference though I guess.

I do so miss focus peaking...

Cosimo said:
New leaked images of the K-1:

http://photorumors.com/2016/02/13/pentax-k-1-full-frame-dslr-new-pictures-leaked-online/

Rumoured specs:-

Number of pixels: effective 36.4MP
Sensor Size: 35.9 x 24.0mm
Continuous shooting: 6.5 fps
ISO range: 100-204,800
Build-in GPS
Media: SD, SDHC, SDXC
Size: 136.5 x 110 x 85.5mm
Weight: 925g

Nice clean design, looks good. Wonder how big the buffer will be.

hux · 14 Feb 2016 at 20:40

Richdog said:
Nice clean design, looks good. Wonder how big the buffer will be.

Well my K3 is 22 raw or 60 jpg so at least that.

Not happy about the af mind, rumours are it uses the same safox sensor only it's the full 33 cross type points, as the K3 for some reason was gimped to 27?!

Meant to use a faster processor/algorithm so we'll see.

Would have been nice to see it use the newer 40mp sony sensor.

Cosimo · 14 Feb 2016 at 20:46

Official announcement on the 18th?

https://www.facebook.com/pentaxsa/p...555539716096/1051694371535540/?type=1&theater

Cosimo · 17 Feb 2016 at 11:21

Apparently the full spec:

- 36.4MP CMOS sensor. No low pass filter.
- Real resolution (pixel shift)
- Image processing engine PRIME IV
- Sensor Size: 35.9 x 24.0mm
- Video is full HD 60p
- 4K interval movie
- 14-bit RAW
- DR II
- KAF2 mount (KAF3, KAF2, KAF, KA, compatible with power zoom lens)
- AF sensor SAFOX12. AF point is 33 points (25 points are cross-type). -3EV Correspondence
- AF assist light
- Viewfinder magnification 0.70 times. 100% field of view
- Natural-Bright-Matte III focusing screen
- LCD monitor 3.2 inches 1,037,000 dot. Flexible tilting
- GPS built-in. Wi-Fi built-in
- Shutter unit of the compact new design. Durability is 300,000 shots
- Shutter speed is 30 seconds -1/8000 seconds. Synchro speed is 1/200 sec
- Media SD / SDHC / SDXC (UHS-I). Dual card slot
- USB terminal (USB2.0, micro B), HDMI terminal (type D)
- Microphone jack, a headphone jack, X contact
- 5-axis camera shake correction. Effective for five stops.
- Electronic Level
- Photometry sensor 86000 pixel RGB sensor
- ISO range is 100-204800
- Continuous shooting 4.4 frames / sec (full size). 6.5 frames / sec. (APS-C)
- Buffer 70 shots JPEG, 17 shots RAW (when full-size 4.4 frames / sec.)
- The battery is D-LI90
- Battery life is 760 shots
- The body is magnesium alloy and stainless steel. Dust and water resistant. -10 Degrees of resistance to low temperature
- Size: 136.5 x110 x 85.5mm
- Weight: 925g

https://translate.google.com/transl...icame-info.com/2016/02/k-1-2.html&prev=search

Richdog · 17 Feb 2016 at 11:56

Cosimo said:
Apparently the full spec:

https://translate.google.com/transl...icame-info.com/2016/02/k-1-2.html&prev=search

4.4fps and 17 shot buffer? If true then that is simply poor for a highly anticipated flagship full frame in 2016...

EddScott · 17 Feb 2016 at 12:22

hux said:
Said in jest, besides you bit which says more about you, did you not smell a trap

I went for Pentax as it's fits me to a tee. In fit and finish it's a joy to hold and use.

Nikon are buttons akimbo, they're everywhere and Canon felt simplistic cheap and plasticky, for the price I'd have expected better.

I came to the same conclusion and stuck with Pentax. Had a K50 a first, now use a K3.

Andy90 · 17 Feb 2016 at 13:04

Richdog said:
4.4fps and 17 shot buffer? If true then that is simply poor for a highly anticipated flagship full frame in 2016...

How so?

Its a 36mp sensor.

The Nikon D810 does 5fps
The Sony A7R does 4fps

Cannot think of anything else that is FF and 36mp, so it isn't too shabby.

Richdog · 17 Feb 2016 at 13:40

Andy90 said:
How so?

Its a 36mp sensor.

The Nikon D810 does 5fps
The Sony A7R does 4fps

Cannot think of anything else that is FF and 36mp, so it isn't too shabby.

A 17 shot buffer on the Pentax vs a 25 shot buffer on the Nikon D810 is just over 50% less. I consider that poor for a camera that has been so painfully long in development that it can't beat the spec of a 1.5 year old DSLR, especially when it is Pentax's only FF model therefore by default the flagship, so there is no reason to gimp features or cut any corners.

D.P. · 17 Feb 2016 at 16:14

The camera looks fine but I would be gutted if I was a Pentax user, waiting the best part of decade compared to Canon and nikon to finally get a FF camera and it turns out to be a Nikon D800 equivalent from 2012, shortly before Nikon likely releases a D900.

I was expect so much more, like a jump straight to FF mirrorless

Richdog · 17 Feb 2016 at 16:22

D.P. said:
The camera looks fine but I would be gutted if I was a Pentax user, waiting the best part of decade compared to Canon and nikon to finally get a FF camera and it turns out to be a Nikon D800 equivalent from 2012, shortly before Nikon likely releases a D900.

I was expect so much more, like a jump straight to FF mirrorless

I think the jump to a FF mirrorless was never on the cards in this case, but it's certainly an underwhelming effort considering all of the time they had and how the market has progressed.

It seems from the specs that they aren't at all fishing for users switching from Canon or Nikon and are instead relying on their existing user base upgrading their APS-C cameras.

I would indeed be disappointed had I stayed with Pentax.

Andy90 · 17 Feb 2016 at 16:23

Richdog said:
A 17 shot buffer on the Pentax vs a 25 shot buffer on the Nikon D810 is just over 50% less.

Its 68% the buffer of the D810 you mean.

Give the Camera a chance, it isn't even out yet. For all you know the price point might be rather nice.

For those users that use Pentax lenses, it will probably sell quite well.

Castigating something because of the FPS or Buffer etc. is really symptomatic of the state of Photography nowadays - hung up on specs rather than actually going out there and producing a stunning shot.

Oh and make your minds up about FPS Post 12 in http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18718469

Cosimo · 17 Feb 2016 at 16:33

Richdog said:
A 17 shot buffer on the Pentax vs a 25 shot buffer on the Nikon D810 is just over 50% less. I consider that poor for a camera that has been so painfully long in development that it can't beat the spec of a 1.5 year old DSLR, especially when it is Pentax's only FF model therefore by default the flagship, so there is no reason to gimp features or cut any corners.

Actually it's 23 uncompressed RAW for the Nikon and for the EOS 5DS/5DS R it is 14 RAW files. Given that you don't know the size of the Pentax RAW file there really isn't much point to your comparison and it just ends up being a pointless spec comparison.

I doubt very much whether most Pentaxians will be using full uncompressed RAW burst in their day to day photography so a few frames faster or slower in the real world is going to make any difference to them.

It won't make any difference to Pentax as they have never been in the my penis is bigger than yours business so comparing specs across brands is even more pointless.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing exactly what we get tomorrow.

D.P. · 17 Feb 2016 at 16:41

Cosimo said:
Actually it's 23 uncompressed RAW for the Nikon and for the EOS 5DS/5DS R it is 14 RAW files. Given that you don't know the size of the Pentax RAW file there really isn't much point to your comparison and it just ends up being a pointless spec comparison.

I doubt very much whether most Pentaxians will be using full uncompressed RAW burst in their day to day photography so a few frames faster or slower in the real world is going to make any difference to them.

It won't make any difference to Pentax as they have never been in the my penis is bigger than yours business so comparing specs across brands is even more pointless.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing exactly what we get tomorrow.

Actually the D810 RAW buffer is 47 in 12bit and 28 in 14bit.

Don't get confused abut the compression - the normal operation is lossless compression. The uncompressed option is a pointless feature that should just be removed from the menu, it doesn't even exist on Canon DSLR AFAIK, and serves no purpose.

Richdog · 17 Feb 2016 at 16:48

Andy90 said:
Its 68% the buffer of the D810 you mean.

Give the Camera a chance, it isn't even out yet. For all you know the price point might be rather nice.

We know the rumoured (but still as yet unconfirmed) RRP, it's 1799USD. UK price will likely be higher.

Andy90 said:
For those users that use Pentax lenses, it will probably sell quite well.

Agreed, that's what I said.

Andy90 said:
Castigating something because of the FPS or Buffer etc. is really symptomatic of the state of Photography nowadays - hung up on specs rather than actually going out there and producing a stunning shot.

I'm not "hung up on specs"... I sometimes run into practical buffer limitations on my D750 on the occasions that I do need to keep my finger down (and am waiting for an update to the D810 for my next upgrade)... how would it be any different on this Pentax?

Andy90 said:
Oh and make your minds up about FPS Post 12 in http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18718469

I fail to see your point... I was saying 8-10 fps isn't something to complain about in response to the OP's odd statement that it is. Maybe you can clarify what you mean there.

Cosimo said:
Actually it's 23 uncompressed RAW for the Nikon and for the EOS 5DS/5DS R it is 14 RAW files. Given that you don't know the size of the Pentax RAW file there really isn't much point to your comparison and it just ends up being a pointless spec comparison.

Well even if I don't know the exact RAW file size (and I can't imagine it's worlds away from the D810)... the engineers do and I would expect them to adapt the buffer to that.

Cosimo said:
I doubt very much whether most Pentaxians will be using full uncompressed RAW burst in their day to day photography so a few frames faster or slower in the real world is going to make any difference to them.

"Most" may not, but some undoubtedly will.

Cosimo said:

It won't make any difference to Pentax as they have never been in the my penis is bigger than yours business so comparing specs across brands is even more pointless.

Click to expand...

I don't see why it is termed as penis comparisons as though it is some subjective kind of discussion... it is simply a case of practical features and technical limitations vs other modern cameras.

D.P. said:

Actually the D810 RAW buffer is 47 in 12bit and 28 in 14bit.

Click to expand...

Thanks for confirming.

Andy90 · 17 Feb 2016 at 17:31

I wasn't aim the 'castigating' comment at you specifically, but it is absolutely symptomatic of some Photographers both in other Forums and this one.

As for the price, Euro price is apparently going to be 1999 Euro. That's £1557 at todays rates. That's release price too.

Give it a few months and it will probably be around £1300 to £1400. 36mp Full frame? - it if pans out at that sort of price it will be a steal.

D.P. · 17 Feb 2016 at 19:48

I'm no sure the price is that exciting. Sure its nice for the few Pentax owners but it ultimately wont help Pentax that much. Its basically a D800 which you can get for 800Euro.

Pentax will likely sell as many priced at £1200 as £1900, just the same faithful Pentax users.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 17 Feb 2016 at 19:57

D.P. said:
I'm no sure the price is that exciting. Sure its nice for the few Pentax owners but it ultimately wont help Pentax that much. Its basically a D800 which you can get for 800Euro.

Pentax will likely sell as many priced at £1200 as £1900, just the same faithful Pentax users.

Wait a D800 with a full warranty for £800 - might want to replace my D600 for that sort of price!! The cheapest I saw was £1250 at John Lewis for an ex-demo one and I didn't get it for that price.

D.P. · 17 Feb 2016 at 20:02

Define full warranty, you can can get pick one up for that price form a good second hand shop with a warranty form the shop.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 17 Feb 2016 at 21:15

D.P. said:
Define full warranty, you can can get pick one up for that price form a good second hand shop with a warranty form the shop.

Full manufacturers two to three year warranty. The ex-demo D800 I saw at John Lewis last year had 250 shutter actuations and the box and gubbins inside was untouched. Not a single mark and had the full warranty. My ex-demo D600 cost £670 from them with the full warranty and was practically untouched,and that was nearly two years ago.

Cosimo · 18 Feb 2016 at 05:58

It's here:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.uk/en/digital-slr/PENTAX-K-1-DSLR.html