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gosh a thread that starts with someone cutting in front of others to a bash the cyclist they cause more emissions than the rest of the motorised world. haha

some people really need to get a grip and stop being so self centred pathetic beings only concerned with there own bubble of space.
 
gosh a thread that starts with someone cutting in front of others to a bash the cyclist they cause more emissions than the rest of the motorised world. haha

some people really need to get a grip and stop being so self centred pathetic beings only concerned with there own bubble of space.

ridiculous isn’t it. When looking at road use statistics, 66% of all road journeys by car are less than 5 miles, 19% of all road journeys by car are less than 1 mile where emissions are worse as catalytic converters aren’t warmed up and he talkings about emissions. The problem is that many drivers look to blame others because they don’t want to look at their own actions as being the cause of their issues, it’s frankly pathetic.
 
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The number one hold up for other motorised traffic is other motor vehicles, the queues of traffic which goes on for miles I see travelling southbound on the M1 when I’m heading northbound on a Monday morning is ridiculous and it isn’t caused by cyclists. If every cyclist drove a car instead then it would add further congestion which is counter productive. The extra emissions caused by bikes compared with all the ridiculous tailbacks on most of the most used motorways like the M1, M25, M6 etc isn’t even comparable, you are clutching at straws.


Not clutching at straws at all.

Claim #1 A Highway with cyclists on it will consume more fuel and generate more emissions than one that does not. True/False

Claim #2 It is likley that the effect of #1 is that the Cyclist will actually end up consuming more fuel and generating more emissions than he would have done had he been driving a car. True/False

(The issue isn't about driving slowly at a constant speed in congested traffic. It is the braking and then having to get back to speed. That consumes a LOT of fuel, especially for an HGV)
 
Not clutching at straws at all.

Claim #1 A Highway with cyclists on it will consume more fuel and generate more emissions than one that does not. True/False

Claim #2 It is likley that the effect of #1 is that the Cyclist will actually end up consuming more fuel and generating more emissions than he would have done had he been driving a car. True/False

(The issue isn't about driving slowly at a constant speed in congested traffic. It is the braking and then having to get back to speed. That consumes a LOT of fuel, especially for an HGV)

Any stats to back those figures up?

I have to brake far more for hgvs than cyclists. Can we ban hgvs?
 
Any stats to back those figures up?

I have to brake far more for hgvs than cyclists. Can we ban hgvs?


Again, None of that contradicts my claims.

I am simply saying that road Cycling should not be regarded as a "Zero Emission" activity. Nor should it be encouraged as a method of reducing overall fuel consumption and emissions. Because it doesn't and under some circumstance might well actually make things worse.
 
Not clutching at straws at all.

Claim #1 A Highway with cyclists on it will consume more fuel and generate more emissions than one that does not. True/False

Claim #2 It is likley that the effect of #1 is that the Cyclist will actually end up consuming more fuel and generating more emissions than he would have done had he been driving a car. True/False

(The issue isn't about driving slowly at a constant speed in congested traffic. It is the braking and then having to get back to speed. That consumes a LOT of fuel, especially for an HGV)

First point is both true and false, some roads are wide enough to cater for a cyclist and for motor vehicles to overtake whilst some are not, those that are not I concede that they could increase congestion and therefore emissions.

Second point is both true and false due to the first point.

Your last point in brackets is a diversion tactic as motorway congestion with large tailbacks is start stop traffic, even if there are no problems the contstant compression and decompression of traffic which is a common occurrence on motorways causes motor traffic to constantly accelerate and decelerate which increase emissions and no cyclists are the cause of that. It is very rare congested traffic drives at constant speed.

Looking at my previous post above where 66% of car journeys are less than 5 miles and 19% of car journeys is less than 1 mile and in fact 40% of car journeys are less than 2 miles where the catalytic converters aren’t warmed up enough so causes further emissions, it’s pretty plain to see where most of the the unnecessary emissions and congestion is caused. It is a genuine public health issue both in air quality and obesity.

The difference between the emissions caused by cyclists due to congestion and the congestion caused by other motor vehicles is not even comparable considering bicycle journeys make up 2% of all journeys. So while I concede that cycling does cause an increase in emissions, I still say you are clutching at straws making the point as the main cause of emissions is other motor vehicles usually caused by vehicles that don’t even need to be used in the first place and could have easily been walked. You can see clearly the difference when the schools are on holiday as the roads are far more free moving.
 
First point is both true and false, some roads are wide enough to cater for a cyclist and for motor vehicles to overtake whilst some are not, those that are not I concede that they could increase congestion and therefore emissions.

Second point is both true and false due to the first point.

Your last point in brackets is a diversion tactic as motorway congestion with large tailbacks is start stop traffic, even if there are no problems the contstant compression and decompression of traffic which is a common occurrence on motorways causes motor traffic to constantly accelerate and decelerate which increase emissions and no cyclists are the cause of that. It is very rare congested traffic drives at constant speed.

Looking at my previous post above where 66% of car journeys are less than 5 miles and 19% of car journeys is less than 1 mile and in fact 40% of car journeys are less than 2 miles where the catalytic converters aren’t warmed up enough so causes further emissions, it’s pretty plain to see where most of the the unnecessary emissions and congestion is caused. It is a genuine public health issue both in air quality and obesity.

The difference between the emissions caused by cyclists due to congestion and the congestion caused by other motor vehicles is not even comparable considering bicycle journeys make up 2% of all journeys. So while I concede that cycling does cause an increase in emissions, I still say you are clutching at straws making the point as the main cause of emissions is other motor vehicles usually caused by vehicles that don’t even need to be used in the first place and could have easily been walked. You can see clearly the difference when the schools are on holiday as the roads are far more free moving.

Again. Much of this is besides the point (Particularly the Motorway issue, which I will come back to later)

I am simply saying that it is wrong to regrd Cycling as a "Zero Emissions" activity for all reasons already stated.

As for the Motorway issue,

a) It is irrelevent since cycles are not permitted on Motorways (Actually, I would be fine with Cyclists being allowd to use the hard shoulder)

b) Under these sorts of conditions, I hardly ever have to stop because I engage my Brain

(Just stick to around 17MPH and resist the temptation to catch up with the traffic ahead when it pulls away from you)
 
Again. Much of this is besides the point (Particularly the Motorway issue, which I will come back to later)

I am simply saying that it is wrong to regrd Cycling as a "Zero Emissions" activity for all reasons already stated.

As for the Motorway issue,

a) It is irrelevent since cycles are not permitted on Motorways (Actually, I would be fine with Cyclists being allowd to use the hard shoulder)

b) Under these sorts of conditions, I hardly ever have to stop because I engage my Brain

(Just stick to around 17MPH and resist the temptation to catch up with the traffic ahead when it pulls away from you)

As I stated already, I conceded the point about bicycles potentially causing an increase in emissions. I also stated that the issue of start stop traffic congestion on motorways was not the cause of bicycles but an indication of how much motor traffic has to constantly accelerate and decelerate which you stated is the cause of increased emissions. Whilst you may be sensible enough to hold a steady speed on the motorway, many don’t which is why the phenomenon exists.

What I’m trying to say is that your argument is pretty much a moot point. The difference between emissions caused by bicycle congestion compared to emissions caused by other motor vehicle congestion is negligible, and whilst the bicycle cause is not zero, it isn’t even comparable.
 
Not clutching at straws at all.

Claim #1 A Highway with cyclists on it will consume more fuel and generate more emissions than one that does not. True/False
You're missing more than a few caveats there to get the answer you want.

Nor should it be encouraged as a method of reducing overall fuel consumption and emissions. Because it doesn't ...
Zero evidence to support that claim.

In any case when people encourage cycling it's normally with a focus on cities where all traffic is stop-start and the cyclists can easily match the traffic speed. So even if your strawman argument was correct (-it's not), it still wouldn't be relevant.
 
Cyclists are not "Zero Emissions"

Each time an HGV has to slow to pass a cyclist and get back up to speed it will consume around half a Litre of fuel that would not otherwise have been consumed.

(The same apples to cars, though the amount of fuel wasted is rather less. But, Cyclists hold up far more cars than HGV's so the global effect is not at all insignificant)

If a cyclist has this happen two or three times during the course of his ride, he would have generated less emissions by driving a car.
Shut up
 

Leave him alone, he's thought a long time about this even though it's garbage :)
Is a cycle a zero emission vehicle? - yes and that's how the DVLA see it, if they didn't cyclists would be paying a vehicle tax.

Can a cycle cause other vehicles to use extra emissions? - yes but so do all the other vehicles on the road and pedestrians and horses.
I reckon the HGV I got caught behind today caused more extra emissions from my car than all the cyclists put together.
 
What irritates me is in supermarket car parks when people walk straight out in front of you, They are usually drivers and have just parked and would swear like hell if someone did it to them

Almost as irritating as drivers who ignore zebra crossings in car parks; it's like some sort of race to the bottom where drivers won't stop at designated crossings so pedestrians just wander around in the road.
 
Regarding slow walkers, I don't have a problem with it except where you have people walking alongside each other having a chat. It's a particular problem in London due to the streets being busy in general and often relatively narrow, meaning you have to step out into the road to overtake.
 
I found slow walkers a big issue in China. You have a massive population all trying to get somewhere in a country where it isn’t the done thing to be seen to be in any kind of rush. Combine these factors with an almost constant devotion to your mobile phone and you have a recipe for disaster if you actually need to get somewhere quickly.

Unfortunately I found the only way to combat this was physically. In general, Chinese people are not the largest of folk - and a solid body check often yields spectacular results.
 
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