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I’ve always wondered my they’ve not stood m.2 on its end like ram. It’d save so much space on the board in some cases.
Phison says Gen 5 and 6 are HOT HOT
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ASUS X99 boards had a vertical M.2 bracket so it stood straight-up, the drive ran very cool as the case intake fan was right next to it.
I'm guessing because outside of really extreme usage cases, it makes no difference...
'heat spreaders' on ram are more for show than anything else 99.9% of the time, of course if you want RGB ram then you'll need that casing to house the LED's.
Equaly people say gen 5 drives run really hot..but what real world performance are you getting over a sata SSD??
Don't get me wrong, I'm running a mixture of SATA SSD and NVME gen 4 M.2.. I've basically retired my spin drives....
But when people say they are over-heating SSDs...what the hell are they doing with them to make them run so hot?
'heat spreaders' on ram are more for show than anything else 99.9% of the time, of course if you want RGB ram then you'll need that casing to house the LED's.
Equaly people say gen 5 drives run really hot..but what real world performance are you getting over a sata SSD??
Don't get me wrong, I'm running a mixture of SATA SSD and NVME gen 4 M.2.. I've basically retired my spin drives....
But when people say they are over-heating SSDs...what the hell are they doing with them to make them run so hot?
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Even just downloading a game from steam can get a drive a bit toasty. Steam tries to install games while you download and does this as fast as you can send it data, so if you have a gig or multi gig connection then your ssd is gonna be running pretty hard writing files
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This ^
Nobody who uses their machine for gaming or day to day work needs pci-e gen 5, let a lone 6 or 7.
It is handy for distribution of pci-e lanes but it’s expensive and hot.
In a few years, we will start to see GPUs saturating pci-e gen 4.
Right now, it just seems like a marketing gimmick to sell people new stuff
Soldato
That’s Not really a massive problem for most users though?
Like, sure, STEAM will cause any drive to warm up when it installs a game because of the read and writing of data when decompressing game files but even then, I wouldn’t stress too much.
If I was a data scientist who worked with huge datasets and ran tons of data mining queries then sure, pci-e gen 6 or 7 makes sense because 1) you need the throughput and 2) your 1u server only has so many pci-e lanes so if you can take 4 gen 4.0 pci-e express lanes and reduce them to 2 or even 1 lane but have the same throughput because the system is running pci-e gen 7, it makes absolute sense to spend the extra money.
I would personally take a pci-e gen 3.0 NVMe SSD that has an amazing controller and tons of DRAM cache over a budget pci-e 5.0 drive that is faster for data throughput but sucks for read write performance.
I’ve got many different drives including SATA, NVME gen 3 and 4 and I honestly don’t notice a difference with any of them unless I go out of my way to stress the drives.
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I just transferred all my music VST instruments from SATA SSD to a Lexar nm790 nvme and the difference in load times is actually astonishing. I thought there was something wrong because I wasn't even seeing a loading screen like before. Software is all same. It's more than a 10x difference in speed on CrystalDisk.
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I’ll put it in the lower 5.0 slot as the upper one that I currently have a gen 4 in is directly under the GPU. I’m waiting to see what Samsung bring out.
Not sure what the hold up is with Samsung it's not like they don't have a gen5 controller
Samsung already has an enterprise gen5 drive with a 13GB/s speed. Only thing I can think of is this controller is very inefficient and the drive would consume too much power in an m2 form factor
semiconductor.samsung.com
Edit: ok confirmed its power. To push this drive at 13GB/s the controller needs 24 watts to power it. Not only is that far too hot for a M2 Nvme drive but it's also 10 watts over the maximum power output of a m2 Nvme port. Samsung needs a gen5 controller with 50% better efficiency
Samsung already has an enterprise gen5 drive with a 13GB/s speed. Only thing I can think of is this controller is very inefficient and the drive would consume too much power in an m2 form factor
PM1743 | Enterprise SSD | Samsung Semiconductor Global
PM1743 is a PCIe 5.0 SSD for high-performance servers. Meet PM1743 offering the industry's fastest speed and the largest capacity of 15.36TB within the category.
semiconductor.samsung.com
Edit: ok confirmed its power. To push this drive at 13GB/s the controller needs 24 watts to power it. Not only is that far too hot for a M2 Nvme drive but it's also 10 watts over the maximum power output of a m2 Nvme port. Samsung needs a gen5 controller with 50% better efficiency
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Samsung PM1743 used about 3 years old 6th generation V6 128 layer V-NAND flash memory and ELAN (S4LV006) controller. SSD used older NVMe 1.4 protocol consumed 20W max powerNot sure what the hold up is with Samsung it's not like they don't have a gen5 controller
Samsung already has an enterprise gen5 drive with a 13GB/s speed. Only thing I can think of is this controller is very inefficient and the drive would consume too much power in an m2 form factor
PM1743 | Enterprise SSD | Samsung Semiconductor Global
PM1743 is a PCIe 5.0 SSD for high-performance servers. Meet PM1743 offering the industry's fastest speed and the largest capacity of 15.36TB within the category.
Edit: ok confirmed its power. To push this drive at 13GB/s the controller needs 24 watts to power it. Not only is that far too hot for a M2 Nvme drive but it's also 10 watts over the maximum power output of a m2 Nvme port. Samsung needs a gen5 controller with 50% better efficiency
Compared to latest Samsung 990 Pro, 1TB & 2TB models used 7th generation V7 176 layer and 4TB model used 8th generation V8 238 layer V-NAND flash memory, it used Pascal (S4LV008) controller and SSD used new NVMe 2.0 protocol consumed 8.1W max power.
Samsung will mass produce next generation 9th generation V9 over 300 layer V-NAND flash memory and new controller for Gen 5 SSD in 2024. We may see preview at CES 2024. It should be use much less power than Samsung PM1743.
Samsung to Produce 300-Layer V-NAND in 2024: Report
First details about Samsung's 300-layer 3D NAND leak.
www.tomshardware.com
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Sabrent to release gen 5 ssd with 14GB/s read and 12GB/s write all whilst not needing active cooling..
www.tomshardware.com
Sabrent is about to unleash a high-speed PCIe 5.0 SSD — Rocket 5 delivers over 14 GB/s read and 12 GB/s write speeds
The era of PCIe 5.0 hitting over 14 GB/s speeds is finally here.
Soldato
Sabrent new improved Rocket 5 Gen 5 SSD with 14GB/s read and 12GB/s write?Sabrent to release gen 5 ssd with 14GB/s read and 12GB/s write all whilst not needing active cooling..
Sabrent is about to unleash a high-speed PCIe 5.0 SSD — Rocket 5 delivers over 14 GB/s read and 12 GB/s write speeds
The era of PCIe 5.0 hitting over 14 GB/s speeds is finally here.
Oh what a disappointment!
T-Force Speeds Up PCIe Gen5 SSD Portfolio With GE PRO Series: 12nm InnoGrit IG5666 Controller, Up To 14 GB/s Speeds & 2400 MT/s DRAM
T-Force has just announced its GE PRO PCIe Gen5 NVMe SSD series which features blazing fast 14 GB/s speeds achieved with faster DRAM.
wccftech.com
T-Force is launch Gen 5 SSD GE PRO with 12nm Innogrit IG5666 controller offer 14GB/s read but write speed is not announced yet.
Probably 10 or 12GB/s write.
Meh!
Faster and cooler PCIe 5.0!- Meet the Silicon Motion SM2508 - OC3D
Silicon Motion plans to put other PCIe 5.0 SSD controllers to shame with their faster and cooler-running 6nm SM2508 chips.
Gen 5 SSDs with Sillicon Motion 6nm SM2508 controller will offer superior 14.5GB/s read, 14GB/s write speed and lower power consumption than competitors.
Nice!
I can't help but wonder why they're trying to blind us with big numbers. Just why does the average consumer need 14GB/s speeds?
My Samsung 990 Pro in a PCIe Gen 3 slot works fine for me, just my old motherboard loads Windows in about 15 seconds - but it's always turned on, so meh.
My Samsung 990 Pro in a PCIe Gen 3 slot works fine for me, just my old motherboard loads Windows in about 15 seconds - but it's always turned on, so meh.
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Sabrent new improved Rocket 5 Gen 5 SSD with 14GB/s read and 12GB/s write?
Oh what a disappointment!
T-Force Speeds Up PCIe Gen5 SSD Portfolio With GE PRO Series: 12nm InnoGrit IG5666 Controller, Up To 14 GB/s Speeds & 2400 MT/s DRAM
T-Force has just announced its GE PRO PCIe Gen5 NVMe SSD series which features blazing fast 14 GB/s speeds achieved with faster DRAM.
T-Force is launch Gen 5 SSD GE PRO with 12nm Innogrit IG5666 controller offer 14GB/s read but write speed is not announced yet.
Probably 10 or 12GB/s write.
Meh!
Faster and cooler PCIe 5.0!- Meet the Silicon Motion SM2508 - OC3D
Silicon Motion plans to put other PCIe 5.0 SSD controllers to shame with their faster and cooler-running 6nm SM2508 chips.overclock3d.net
Gen 5 SSDs with Sillicon Motion 6nm SM2508 controller will offer superior 14.5GB/s read, 14GB/s write speed and lower power consumption than competitors.
Nice!
finally SM2508 is what we need. I was shocked to find gen5 drives are all using 12nm controllers but the SM2508 will be the first to switch to 6nm and it will cut power draw in half
Soldato
Indeed.
It will be interesting to find out what node Samsung Gen 5 SSD controller will use in 2024.
Samsung launched PM9C1A 1TB SSD in 2023, Piccolo (S4LY022) controller was manufactured on Samsung 5nm FinFET.
Samsung Launches First SSDs Based on 5nm Controller
Samsung's PM9C1a SSD uses 5nm controller, 7th Generation V-NAND.
www.tomshardware.com
Maybe Samsung Gen 5 SSD controller will be manufactured on Samsung 4nm FinFET in an attempt to surpass competitor Sillicon Motion 6nm.
Soldato
15 seconds is too long, something not right.I can't help but wonder why they're trying to blind us with big numbers. Just why does the average consumer need 14GB/s speeds?
My Samsung 990 Pro in a PCIe Gen 3 slot works fine for me, just my old motherboard loads Windows in about 15 seconds - but it's always turned on, so meh.
Windows 11 installed on my Samsung 850 1TB SATA3 SSD loaded Windows in 8 seconds.
Gen 5 SSD with 14GB/s speed could see Nvidia driver installation complete in about 1 minute.
I hope Windows 12 will feature DirectStorage 2.0 that will load Windows in 3 seconds, wake up instantly, launch apps and games faster, add new Quick Resume feature ported from Xbox Series X/S for all PC games on Gen 5 SSDs.
15 secs sounds long but maybe he's counting from when he pressed the power button instead of when bios loading completed
The other thing is windows load time can differ between systems; the more software you want available at boot and the more drivers need to be loaded, the longer windows takes to load
The other thing is windows load time can differ between systems; the more software you want available at boot and the more drivers need to be loaded, the longer windows takes to load
Honestly the startup times don't bother me - I probably restart my PC once a week, if not less.
It's about 20 seconds from when I see the POST screen, which takes about 5s (I added a delay) and an additional ~15s to get to the desktop. I have a Nvidia graphic card and there's some Creative and ESET Internet Security stuff loading. Maybe I should find the cause, but everything is working as I want it and the delay doesn't bother me.
It's about 20 seconds from when I see the POST screen, which takes about 5s (I added a delay) and an additional ~15s to get to the desktop. I have a Nvidia graphic card and there's some Creative and ESET Internet Security stuff loading. Maybe I should find the cause, but everything is working as I want it and the delay doesn't bother me.
*remembers* the days of cassette tapes where you could leave a game 'loading', on a computer, for quite minutes on end (and even then it would fail a fair %, of the time) and thinking that the 2-3 minute load times of some consumer PC's of the late 90's early 00's was a big improvement!
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I saw all consumer PCs in Dixons, Tandy, John Menzies, Boots, Comet etc in the 70s, 80s and early 90s. Went to College in 1992, I never saw PCs with cassette tapes in my life!!!
Did computer games for Commodore 64 really take "25 minutes" to load "if everything went alright"?
In the Swedish-language song "Nostalgi" by Markoolio from 2003, some of the lyrics go: My first computer had 64 kB you surfed on the water, and that's that The computer games were load...
retrocomputing.stackexchange.com
When I had Commodore 64 on christmas day 1982, it came with Commodore 1530 Datasette and I was very underwhelmed and unimpressed at around 20 minute loading time for game ready to play.
Cassette tapes are rubbish and I absolutely hated it, they took forever to loaded.
I watched shop assistant inserted Commodore 64 game 5.25 inch floppy disk into Commodore 1541 floppy drive and typed LOAD"*",8,1 and pressed RETURN then game took around 3 seconds to loaded and ready to play. I dropped my jaw hit the floor "WOW".My primary school back in 1982 had 2 brand new BBC Micro Model B computers with dual 5.25 inch floppy drive, games and apps took around 3 seconds to loaded.
5.25 inch floppy disk are lighting faster than cassette tapes.
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