Plausible Deniability

Haggisman · 14 Mar 2012 at 14:15

yhack said:
Incognito mode

ISP access logs

robgmun · 14 Mar 2012 at 14:19

J.B said:
You may be in breach of RIPA for not disclosing all your passwords though

Wasn't there a case in the last few years where a bloke flatly refused to had over the password as the police just couldn't break in? He got something like 8 months for it.

At a guess he basically played the wheel and decided that 8 months would be a heck of a lot less then what they would've given him if they found what was encrypted

BarBrawllin · 14 Mar 2012 at 14:22

Can you use trucrypt for virtual machines? if you can,then you could use your normal windows OS and creat a virtual hard disk file with another windows OS on it and then a hidden OS inside of that. I dunno just an idea......remember to use 7 proxies or preferably a neighbours wifi ,change MAC address and then 7 proxies chained lol. I just use a neighbours wifi and a VPN and virtual machine when im snooping in places i shouldnt be then i delete the virtual hard disk folder and replace it with the backup copy

i love free stuff

steve-h · 14 Mar 2012 at 14:22

robgmun said:
Wasn't there a case in the last few years where a bloke flatly refused to had over the password as the police just couldn't break in? He got something like 8 months for it.

I remember that.

robgmun said:
At a guess he basically played the wheel and decided that 8 months would be a heck of a lot less then what they would've given him if they found what was encrypted

Or he just didn't want to give up his privacy. I would do the same (well I'd go with the 'I forgot it' excuse over refusing)... if I didn't have a safe password to give.

BarBrawllin · 14 Mar 2012 at 14:28

steve-h said:
I remember that.

Or he just didn't want to give up his privacy. I would do the same (well I'd go with the 'I forgot it' excuse over refusing)... if I didn't have a safe password to give.

I dont think the "i forgot it" excuse would work because their b*sturds lol.

yhack · 14 Mar 2012 at 14:45

steve-h said:
Or he just didn't want to give up his privacy. I would do the same (well I'd go with the 'I forgot it' excuse over refusing)... if I didn't have a safe password to give.

You would rather go to jail than give a password, with nothing to hide?

I think I would only do that, were there something behind the password that would get me more time in jail.

If you didn't give the password and went to prison, could they try and get the password off you again when you got out, and send you back?

Burned_Alive · 14 Mar 2012 at 14:47

BarBrawllin said:
Can you use trucrypt for virtual machines? if you can,then you could use your normal windows OS and creat a virtual hard disk file with another windows OS on it and then a hidden OS inside of that.

Winception.

steve-h · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:01

yhack said:
You would rather go to jail than give a password, with nothing to hide?

I think I would only do that, were there something behind the password that would get me more time in jail.

If you didn't give the password and went to prison, could they try and get the password off you again when you got out, and send you back?

Oh, don't get me wrong, I have plenty to hide... none of it jail-worthy of course. And I'm sure you can't be sentenced twice for the same 'crime'.

Mr Blonde · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:11

From my limited reading on the matter I'd take a closer look at PGP (Pretty Good Privacy).

tres · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:11

Anyone else first learn this phrase from Independence Day?

gambitt · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:15

Burned_Alive said:
Winception.

5 stars

dfarrall · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:16

The best way to go about things like this is just full encryption, its not infinite years in prison at all. You are under no law to divulge the password to police, it will cost you 2 years in prison max if you do not in most cases, but obviously that may be much less than what you have encrypted.

evilpenguin · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:22

small thermite charge. get password wrong...**crispy**

gambitt · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:23

robgmun said:
Wasn't there a case in the last few years where a bloke flatly refused to had over the password as the police just couldn't break in? He got something like 8 months for it.

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/881726

The quote from someone in there that I remember well is this:

The courts always take the view that anyone who refuses to co-operate with the police are up to no good, which is odd because it flatly contradicts the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty'. More like 'innocent until your behaviour looks a bit sus and then, despite having little or no evidence, we'll give you a quick blast in the cells to see if that loosens your tongue'.

Sums up the "make it up as you go along" CJS nicely.

BarBrawllin · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:25

tres said:
Anyone else first learn this phrase from Independence Day?

I think i learned it from some tv show like law and order or something,was so long ago i dont even know when i learned the term

Ahleckz · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:30

dfarrall said:
The best way to go about things like this is just full encryption, its not infinite years in prison at all. You are under no law to divulge the password to police, it will cost you 2 years in prison max if you do not in most cases, but obviously that may be much less than what you have encrypted.

You totally contradicted yourself there. You claim that you are under no law to divulge the password. But then you say if you don't, you'll be locked up. How are you locked up if you aren't breaking the law?

Energizer Bunny · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:41

This is the same OP as the thread where the girlfriend found the Asian porn on his hard drive, right?

firstborn · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:42

Richie said:
Truecrypt plausible deniability relies on you having 2 OS on the same drive. The first OS is a decoy "safe" one and the other is the hidden "secret" one. The hidden OS lies within the safe OS in sort of a container.

Both OS have passwords. When the system starts, you enter one of the passwords. Depending on what password you enter results in what OS is started - entering hidden OS pass results in hidden OS loading, entering the safe password means the safe OS loads.

The hidden OS looks just like random data while it is encrypted, almost like unallocated disc space which makes it nigh on impossible to see whilst encrypted.

By giving over your safe OS password, this will give you the denial plausibility that you complied with RIPA. In order for it to be believable, you should use the safe OS as much as possible in order for normal deleted files etc to build up. If you had a "pristine" safe OS like it would be on a fresh install, this would raise suspicions. Only use the hidden OS when you need to.

There is far more info on the Truecrypt website.

Is this relatively easy to set up? Is it possible to mess up the safe OS so you can't access the hidden OS... if you see what I mean?

yhack · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:53

Energizer Bunny said:
This is the same OP as the thread where the girlfriend found the Asian porn on his hard drive, right?

No, sorry.

George Hincapie · 14 Mar 2012 at 15:54

Tikkabhuna said:
If you encrypt the entire thing the disk will say it's full.

Wrong.

If you encrypt the entire drive it will show as being unformatted. However, examination of link files in the Recent folder will reveal links to a separate logical drive. Unless you use something like CCleaner regularly.