Plausible Deniability

so they arrested this spy for what exactly?

Someone got stabbed and he fitted the vague description. Police arrested him and searched his home. They found a kitchen knife, so took his computer to get more evidence. Turns out it wasn't him, but now he has to pay £1million to some dudes for downloading some song he heard on the radio.
 
You totally contradicted yourself there. You claim that you are under no law to divulge the password. But then you say if you don't, you'll be locked up. How are you locked up if you aren't breaking the law?

Your right, tired :p

What i meant was you have no real reason to give up your password that protects said sensitive material, considering the likelyhood is that uncovering it will hold a much higher sentance.
 
Another thing that I don't understand is that you are worried about people getting your passwords if your computer is stolen. I'm not sure about you, but I don't have my computer remembering all my passwords - what would the point be? It would be akin to writing your PIN on your bank card.

No, there is nothing on my computer harddrive that I would mind anyone looking at. There's some personal stuff but I really don't care if anyone reads my emails between me and my girlfriend.

Can I have your credit card number please? I assume you don't mind sharing that with me?
 
Are their any legitimate reasons as to why anyone would want to have a hidden OS/partition in this country? I can only think you'd want one if you were hiding something illegal.

The protection of Intellectual Property is a legitimate reason as well. Having an encrypted partition is viewable and, the way some people put passwords on things, could be cracked or compromised. If they don't even know it exists then it's just another obstacle but yes, for the vast majority of people on here it is used as a result of illegal activities or extreme paranoia.

I don't even have a password on my PC. If someone nicks it then fine, All my important stuff is backed up to the cloud. I don't mind others seeing it but losing it altogether would be annoying :(
 
It just seems a little drastic. It's likely that whoever robs your computer really isn't concerned about what is it on, they are just nicking it too make a quick buck selling it on down the pub or something. I still don't understand why people would want to go to such lengths to 'hide' their data unless it was illegal.

I imagine people like pinter75 who might have large sums of money depending on NDA's/unpatented ideas might be a little worried about stuff being stolen.
 
Why does it have to be hidden, though? Just have a normal encrypted disk, not some all this hidden partition malarkey!

What about if you were forced to enter the password?Hidden is just extra security, for little. All this stuff is practically free on performance and time, you might as well go for the full deal! Having a windows password is pretty useful though, if you sleep your computer they would be forced to enter the password to get in. So if they reboot and you have truecrypt, they can't get back in!
 
Why does it have to be hidden, though? Just have a normal encrypted disk, not some all this hidden partition malarkey!

oh yeah that's over the top i was just referring to encryption.

but remember if you do ever encrypt something remember the password or you'll get up to five years in prison if you can't produce it on demand if the police ever do seize your computer.


actually i suppose that might be worth the hidden partition part (assuming you can't detect it with forensic tools)
 
Are you able to enlighten us on some specifics? ;)

Yes, tis always interesting when someone comes into a thread debunking what has been said with no actual explanation over and above a "LOL @ this thread !!!!111onetwo" :p

I await with baited breath.... well, till tomorrow anyway... Off out.



edit: I wonder if this thread will turn out like the other one where someone in Computer Forensics was insisting that data could be recovered from a HDD even if it had been fully overwritten and magically increase your HDD space seven-fold... Can't find it now :confused:
 
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edit: I wonder if this thread will turn out like the other one where someone in Computer Forensics was insisting that data could be recovered from a HDD even if it had been fully overwritten and magically increase your HDD space seven-fold... Can't find it now :confused:

I've recovered files that have been lost before with some software. To actually get rid of a file you need to overwrite it loads of times I think.
 
Are your local police force going to be able to find anything? No. As for mathematically perfect plauisble deniability I'm not sure, but a one time pad implementation of plausible deniability would provide this.

I've recovered files that have been lost before with some software. To actually get rid of a file you need to overwrite it loads of times I think.

Once, SSD's do this automatically as part of garbage collection, requiring no action by the user. Even when a write proctector is used data is still erased.

Are their any legitimate reasons as to why anyone would want to have a hidden OS/partition in this country? I can only think you'd want one if you were hiding something illegal.

In the modern day and age where the most mundane material is considered illegal (see the "tony the tiger" case), hiding illegal material is a legitimate reason to use it.

then why are they arresting you?

ISP records? False claims of criminal activity? Re: caretaker arrested after he is reported by someone who planted child pornography on his laptop.


Fairly useless software, if the encrypted pc is logged on you can access anything on it anyway.

Are you able to enlighten us on some specifics? ;)

People who work in forensics like to keep the myth alive that encrypted drives can be cracked and overwritten data can be recovered, despite experts in computer science proving otherwise in countless scientific studies. Whether this practice stems from some belief of a tactical advantage or the inability to accept one's powerlessness and the ever increasing futility of the field of computer forensics I don't know.
 
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