Playing music and neighbours

[Haggisman]

The fact the neighbours have complained about the volume, thus being a nuisance to them surely provides the evidence that the volume is excessive?

Not really, you could argue that if you can hear anything then the volume is excessive. That doesn't mean it's a reasonable claim.

I can hear my neighbour cough occasionally when I'm in bed at 1am - should I go round and complain about the excessive noise?

Also he has stated that he had "12 people" in the flat, now unless these people had taken a vow of silence, walked on sponges or were just playing musical statues then i'd imagine there would have been noise.

12 people in a flat, drinking(?), with music on that is loud enough to annoy the neighbours, it can be assumed that those people in the flat would have to raise their voices to communicate over the music. This doesn't seem like the recipe for a tranquil scene to me.

So by that argument, it's not the music that's an issue - it's the fact that the OP had friends over. At 6pm. On a Saturday.

Not expecting this to happen occasionally is just as unreasonable as the OP expecting to be able to play his music out as loud as he wants.

 

[Proddeh]

Not really, you could argue that if you can hear anything then the volume is excessive. That doesn't mean it's a reasonable claim.

I can hear my neighbour cough occasionally when I'm in bed at 1am - should I go round and complain about the excessive noise?

Sorry but I fail to see how a cough and effectively a party are remotely similar.

So by that argument, it's not the music that's an issue - it's the fact that the OP had friends over. At 6pm. On a Saturday.

Not expecting this to happen occasionally is just as unreasonable as the OP expecting to be able to play his music out as loud as he wants.

No, the music mixed with the quantity of people just makes the matter worse. Having a party in a flat can be considered unreasonable, you could make things easier by informing the neighbours before hand what is going to happen and explain if there is a problem that they just have to knock.

From what I have read concerning 'Noisy neighbours' having a couple of parties in a 3 year timeframe can be considered 'frequent' by the law. If you want to have many friends over, music, etc, then inform the neighbours beforehand or even invite them. The neighbour is unlikely to complain if they are there as well or decide to go out for the evening with the knowledge the party was going to be taking place.

 

[Neodite]

Sorry but I fail to see how a cough and effectively a party are remotely similar.



No, the music mixed with the quantity of people just makes the matter worse. Having a party in a flat can be considered unreasonable, you could make things easier by informing the neighbours before hand what is going to happen and explain if there is a problem that they just have to knock.

From what I have read concerning 'Noisy neighbours' having a couple of parties in a 3 year timeframe can be considered 'frequent' by the law. If you want to have many friends over, music, etc, then inform the neighbours beforehand or even invite them. The neighbour is unlikely to complain if they are there as well or decide to go out for the evening with the knowledge the party was going to be taking place.

PLEASE listen to this man OP!!

 

[Haggisman]

Sorry but I fail to see how a cough and effectively a party are remotely similar.

Because by your argument, if I were to choose to complain about it, that would provide the evidence that the noise was excessive.

No, the music mixed with the quantity of people just makes the matter worse. Having a party in a flat can be considered unreasonable, you could make things easier by informing the neighbours before hand what is going to happen and explain if there is a problem that they just have to knock.

From what I have read concerning 'Noisy neighbours' having a couple of parties in a 3 year timeframe can be considered 'frequent' by the law. If you want to have many friends over, music, etc, then inform the neighbours beforehand or even invite them. The neighbour is unlikely to complain if they are there as well or decide to go out for the evening with the knowledge the party was going to be taking place.

I'm not arguing about the OP having to consider his neighbour when choosing the volume/time to play music/have friends over, however I do think it's unreasonable for the neighbour to expect the OP to never ever make any noise, and 6pm on a Saturday evening is about the most considerate time you could think of.

 

[shoes]

Quality post as always.

I suppose you do everything people tell you, regardless of what it is?

Playing music at 7pm on a Saturday night isn't unreasonable. If it was 9-11pm, or later, then fair enough. But it's the weekend. It also depends on how loud the music actually is.

It's not their fault that their neighbours work strange hours, you can't expect them just to change their lives to suit these newbies.

You seem a little, how should I put this, ascerbic about the issue. Perhaps you should take a step back.

No, I am just aware of the impact of my actions on others and not being a totally selfish **** I regularly speak with my immediate neighbour (semi-detached) house to make sure the impact of my music etc. is not a concern for them. My housemate once played music so loud (when I was out) that the neighbour on the detached side threatened to call the police - I gave him a bollocking and made him go round to apologise. Suffice to say relations with that neighbour are good (the bloke works nights hence the complaint about daytime). We could have told him where to go and carried on but we're decent human beings.

If you want to play your ****step music loud enough to annoy the neighbours then you should move into a detached house. If you can't afford it then listen to your music more quietly, and use the desire to listen to it on your terms as motivation to study/work hard so you can afford such luxuries.

Why do so many people not realise that the majority of the nice things in life are a privilege and not a right? You have no RIGHT to play music to annoy your neighbours. They, however, do have the right to a peaceful life in their own home.

As for taking a step back, why don't you take a step back, and then another, and keep going?

 

[Proddeh]

Because by your argument, if I were to choose to complain about it, that would provide the evidence that the noise was excessive.

Nuisance noice is subjective, if it is a long term problem the EH would put recording equipment into the property to determine if the complaint was genuine.

I'm not arguing about the OP having to consider his neighbour when choosing the volume/time to play music/have friends over, however I do think it's unreasonable for the neighbour to expect the OP to never ever make any noise, and 6pm on a Saturday evening is about the most considerate time you could think of.

This is true but making some noise and having a party (no matter the time) are very different and the OP informed us the neighbour made a complaint regarding the party/gathering, what ever you wish to call it. I understand your point but I'm also looking at it from the neighbours perspective, what if they work nights at the weekends and thier sleep has been interupted.

 

[Haggisman]

****step music

It's called "dubstep" which last time I checked wasn't considered an expletive. Grow up.

 

[Haggisman]

Nuisance noice is subjective, if it is a long term problem the EH would put recording equipment into the property to determine if the complaint was genuine.

I agree completely, which is the point I was trying to make, so I guess you agree with me too

The OP may have been playing his music at a reasonable level - in this case it's quite probable that he wasn't, considering the circumstances, but a lot of posts in this thread seem to be of the very black & white view that if your neighbour can hear any noise then it's excessive and you're antisocial, when really it isn't that simple.

This is true but making some noise and having a party (no matter the time) are very different and the OP informed us the neighbour made a complaint regarding the party/gathering, what ever you wish to call it. I understand your point but I'm also looking at it from the neighbours perspective, what if they work nights at the weekends and thier sleep has been interupted.

And what if I was to work strange hours and get disturbed by my neighbours starting their car in the morning to go to work? If you live near people there's going to be noise you can't control.

 

[Neodite]

I agree completely, which is the point I was trying to make, so I guess you agree with me too

The OP may have been playing his music at a reasonable level - in this case it's quite probable that he wasn't, considering the circumstances, but a lot of posts in this thread seem to be of the very black & white view that if your neighbour can hear any noise then it's excessive and you're antisocial, when really it isn't that simple.



And what if I was to work strange hours and get disturbed by my neighbours starting their car in the morning to go to work? If you live near people there's going to be noise you can't control.

You keep talking about sounds that probably last a few seconds and stuff that can not be helped.

A party is very differant. Not saying he shouldn't have one. But the OP seems to have a very FU neighbours ill do what i want attitude

 

[shoes]

It's called "dubstep" which last time I checked wasn't considered an expletive. Grow up.

There's literally nothing 'dub' about it though, is there?

It is, however, mostly ****.

Seems a reasonable substitution to me.

 

[Haggisman]

There's literally nothing 'dub' about it though, is there?

It is, however, mostly ****.

Seems a reasonable substitution to me.

Actually if you look up the definition of dub music, it includes references to:

"put an emphasis on bass and drums" and "instrumental tracks are typically drenched in sound effects such as echo, reverberation, with instruments and vocals dropping in and out of the mix"

Which is exactly what dubstep is.

As to your assertion that it's mostly "****". Your opinion is not fact, much as you would like it to be.

You may not understand dubstep, but that doesn't mean it lacks musical quality.

 

[JoeFX]

3 of us rent the ground floor of a 3 story house. Recently some new tennants moved in above us and have been down and complained about bass when music is on. The time they came down we only had the TV on watching a documentary at around 8pm

On saturday night at around 6.30pm - 7pm we were playing some dubstep before we went out and didnt return until 7am, so didnt play any more when we got in.

The landlord came around today to collect some keys and said they called them on saturday night and complained about loud music being played. Not sure why they didnt come down, maybe because there was 12 people here

It was 7pm on saturday night FFS. The landlord said they work funny hours which is probably why they complained. They are about 22 years old too, not in their 70s or have young kids, just a couple

What is the law regarding music levels and time? Is it true nothing can be done legally until a certain time or certain noise levels? We are NOT going stop playing music just because neighbours work strange hours and want to get some sleep when its 6pm

You sound exactly like the **** who lives next door to me.

Doesn't matter what time of day it is, or what music it is, or how old your neighbours are, or if they do/don't have kids... if you are living in a flat and think it's fine to play music that is disturbing other people, you basically deserve a kicking...

 

[Haggisman]

You sound exactly like the **** who lives next door to me.

Doesn't matter what time of day it is, or what music it is, or how old your neighbours are, or if they do/don't have kids... if you are living in a flat and think it's fine to play music that is disturbing other people, you basically deserve a kicking...

And yet we've already established that no matter what 99.999999% of the populace consider reasonable, there will always be someone who thinks it's too loud.

I guess violence is a good way to deal with it though

 

[peterattheboro]

There's literally nothing 'dub' about it though, is there?

It is, however, mostly ****.

Seems a reasonable substitution to me.

What do you like? Infact it doesn't matter. Whatever it is it's going to be total crap.

See, I can be ignorant too.

 

[shoes]

What do you like? Infact it doesn't matter. Whatever it is it's going to be total crap.

See, I can be ignorant too.

Massive drum and bass fan, jungle, breaks, reggae, freeform, trance, hard dance... it's not like I don't like electronic music

Dubstep is slow, boring, uneventful, full of nonsensical unmelodious noise which is then reverbed to skew it from just being noise to being untolerable noise.

I'll happily admit there are a handful of tracks worth listening to, but compared to how much dubcrap there is out there, it's a negligable percentage. Being the photographer for the big dirty events, and getting involved in many others I am no stranger to dubstep being played out live by a DJ - it's a little more tolerable then if the DJ is good (benga, for example) but it's hardly something I'd pay to go to.

 

[Showboat]

IN which case you're a bunch of selfish little ***** and I look forward to your next thread 'Angry neighbour laid me out cold because of my **** taste in music and antisocial behaviour.'

+1, inconsiderate mofo.
If you want to play loud music and get your mates round for pre night out drinks then go rent a house.

 

[Haggisman]

I'll happily admit there are a handful of tracks worth listening to, but compared to how much dubcrap there is out there, it's a negligable percentage. Being the photographer for the big dirty events, and getting involved in many others I am no stranger to dubstep being played out live by a DJ - it's a little more tolerable then if the DJ is good (benga, for example) but it's hardly something I'd pay to go to.

That's because unfortunately it's the "in thing" at the moment and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. It's the same with hip hop over the last few years, a couple of decent artists made a couple of popular tracks and then the market was flooded with drivel, remember in the nineties when Oasis and Blur were popular, and then suddenly there were a million whiny indie bands out trying to ride the same wave? It's always been the same thing. Any type of music played badly will sound like ****, be it dubstep, trance, hiphop, metal, classical, and to say that whole genre is **** because of that is just ignorant.

 

[shoes]

That's because unfortunately it's the "in thing" at the moment and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. It's the same with hip hop over the last few years, a couple of decent artists made a couple of popular tracks and then the market was flooded with drivel, remember in the nineties when Oasis and Blur were popular, and then suddenly there were a million whiny indie bands out trying to ride the same wave? It's always been the same thing. Any type of music played badly will sound like ****, be it dubstep, trance, hiphop, metal, classical, and to say that whole genre is **** because of that is just ignorant.

Fair point, can't really argue with that.

 

[SheepBeast]

We are NOT going stop playing music just because neighbours work strange hours and want to get some sleep when its 6pm

not very considerate of you. if you had a job with their hours you'd be annoyed by the music too.

why don't you go talk to them and find out what hours specifically are the times when they need to be asleep. then just don't play music in those hours.

it's a pretty selfish statement to say "i'm do what i want regardless of whether it affects other people or not". it's not as if turning your music down or off is gonna kill you.

 

[SheepBeast]

There are some seriously retarded replies in this thread. How can anyone comment when he has simply said "we were playing some Dubstep"? No one knows how loud it was, so slagging him off for not caring about other people is a bit ridiculous.

As for the ‘lol dubstep is crap’ comments, just because you don’t like something, it doesn’t make it crap.

did you read his post? it's blatant that he doesn't give a crap about other people. the music was evidently loud enough that the neighbours could hear it and were kept awake by it - through a wall. but he's going to play it anyway because he doesn't care. how are we retarded for pointing this out??

and dubstep IS crap. if i didn't believe that to be the truth i wouldn't hold it to be my opinion. i can assert said opinion if i want, just as you can assert yours. besides, it's pretty obvious that when people say something is crap they are voicing an opinion, and it's unreasonable to expect everyone to write "in my opinion" before every statement they make.