Playstation 3 - Money Opportunity?

Ultra_Extreme said:
lol wtf?!? i consider myself very shrewd with money, thus why i run my own company and am successful in doing so. Buying a console at launch is like buying a new car, STUPID, of course ppl will do it, its still utter idiocy. But thats only my opinion,

And to those who feel i was harsh saying all consoles make a loss...id learn to be more skeptical if i were you, amazingly not everything you read is true.......

I actually dont care who listens to me tho anyway lol
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Mark Twain has some words of advice for you :)

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
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cheets64 said:
I bought a 360 to sell on, I made £240 profit, I got called all the names under the sun but I preordered on the first day you could.

I can see there being 5,000+ on eBay on the launch day, they will be going for silly money, but thats life, if you can get hold of one to either sell or keep then you will have done well.
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nice one

What did you do ? preorder one, and then stuck it on ebay a week later?
 
Tommy B said:
That's not the point in this thread. I'm just sick of nonces saying how good it is when I've played it myself plenty of times and it really has nothing on most decent PC games.
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The PC Gaming market is stale and has been stale for the last 3 years. The last game released on the PC I really enjoyed in Single Player? Max Payne 2. I couldn't put it down. The last good game released on the PC - Battlefield 2. The only other 'none stale' title I can think of would be WoW, but that really doesn't interest me at all.

The PC is bogged down by 'Just another RTS' or 'Just another FPS' - and thats about it. The last RTS to cause waves was Rome: Total War, now I didn't like it at all.

My point is, I honestly can't remember the last innovative game the PC had. I would probably hazard a guess at Half-Life. That was 1997.

As for FPS games being better on a PC, for online skirmishes, definitely, it's not necessarily true for Single Player games, I had much more fun on Call of Duty 2 and Prey on the Xbox360 than I did on the PC. All it takes is good programming on the side of getting the best out of a consoles controller. Another example would be Halo, it was much more fun on the Xbox controller than on mouse and keyboard.
 
dirtydog said:
And Ninja Gaiden, Forza Motorsport, Dead or Alive Ultimate, OutRun 2, Rallisport Challenge 1/2 etc etc etc. But yes, otherwise you're spot on ;)
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I totally have to agree here. I personally thought the Xbox had a better line up of games.

You also missed out Shenmue, Fable, PGR2, Chronicles of Riddick and Panzer Dragoon Orta from that list. Those are just off the top of my head.
 
only way to make money on the ps3 launch is if everybody sticks to a price on ebay, but i will hazard a guess that so many will be pre-ordering still for ebay that everyone will be undercutting each other to get rid of it before they are left with the credit card bill at the end of the month. Yes they will make a profit but being so expensive in the 1st place i don't think the interest in spending over £425 + whatever the ebayers will try and flog it for will make much from it unless you have multiple units to flog.
 
Ultra_Extreme said:
And to those who feel i was harsh saying all consoles make a loss...id learn to be more skeptical if i were you, amazingly not everything you read is true.......
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Indeed. Just like it's true that not all consoles make a loss :)

I'll just grab the bit of my earlier quote that makes the point:

Gord said:
Let's keep our eyes on the ball people. Sony has sold more than fifty million PS2s. Lets pretend Sony has been lying to us all along and that the PS2 is a money pit. Assuming a true cost/price different of $200 (from the originally claimed cost of $100 below retail to $100 above retail) on fifty million units, that's ten billion dollars. TEN BILLION. People are going to notice ten billion dollars missing from the bank accounts. Hell, let's say Sony isn't even losing any money at all but instead are selling at cost. Ok, so it's only five billion dollars missing from the bank account. Don't dare to try and claim that this number could possibly hidden as as a rounding error.
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MS made a loss on every Xbox as they were buying in hardware for practically everything in the machine. Sony didn't make a loss on every PS2 because they made a lot of it in-house. You only have to look at the financial info to see that. Now, the PS3 will almost certainly make a loss for a little while - the dev costs are going to take an awful long time to get paid off, and they've bought in a lot of hardware so that's other peoples' profits to try and squeeze in. But as I said earlier, you cannot make a blanket statement that all consoles lose money when it simply isn't the case.
 
McManicMan said:
only way to make money on the ps3 launch is if everybody sticks to a price on ebay, but i will hazard a guess that so many will be pre-ordering still for ebay that everyone will be undercutting each other to get rid of it before they are left with the credit card bill at the end of the month. Yes they will make a profit but being so expensive in the 1st place i don't think the interest in spending over £425 + whatever the ebayers will try and flog it for will make much from it unless you have multiple units to flog.
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I considered selling my release day 360 on ebay. I watched the prices for 11 days before opting to keep it. Many, many Xboxes went for £600+, I saw one go for £1200+ then prices slowly came down to around £400.

I would guess that you stand to make £200 on a PS3 on Ebay.

Plus you can take them back to the store unopened or use the distance selling act etc if you decide not to keep it and not to ebay it. I would think the store would bite your hand off to resell an unopened one.

From release you could certainly hold it for 10 days and stand to lose nothing as it would be simple to return or even buy it now plus postage on the bay.

Those pre-ordering stand to lose little if anything and gain £200 or more.

It is a bit of a no-brainer really.
 
wush said:
It'd be a good idea if 200,000 other people weren't already thinking it. :p
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Exactly, the 360 launch got everybody's greed machince turning so theres going to be a huge amount of people trying to cash in, even more so than with the 360.

With the 360 initially I was really against the whole buy to make a profit idea BUT then I actually though about it for a bit. GAME buy in at wholesale prices, stick on their mark-up and bundle it with a load of tosh you don't want, ebay seller buys it, puts on their mark-up, ebay buyer buys it. IMO theres no difference between GAME and the ebay seller. There was nothing stopping the ebay buyer pre-ordering one like the ebay seller did and there was no one holding a gun to their head making them pay £100 over retail price.

My opinion with the PS3 is go for it, its a bit of a gamble but theres nothing stopping you returning the console. BUT if you do end up out of pocket tough boobies, thats the gamble you take. Personally its not something I would feel happy about doing though.
 
lordrobs said:
Exactly, the 360 launch got everybody's greed machince turning so theres going to be a huge amount of people trying to cash in, even more so than with the 360.
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It works if the supply is limited. So even if everyone who gets one on pre-order is intending to Ebay it the profts for those ebayers will be the same.
There'll only be 200,000 people selling them on ebay if there is no supply issue.
If there is no supply side problem then there'll be no need for people to pay over the odds at auction.
If anything the number of chancers looking to make a profit at auction will increase the end price on the bay, all a bit like house prices really.
 
Dont forget its a Worldwide launch and PS3 will be in short supply for months, the demand for them the the week before Xmas will be crazy.

I think you could easily make £400 right before xmas, The people who wanted to buy my 360 where adults, they can afford it and if they want it they will pay over the odds, the guy who bought mine was minted.

Dont be put off by £1000+ for a PS3, people will want them.
 
Ultra_Extreme said:
And to those who feel i was harsh saying all consoles make a loss...id learn to be more skeptical if i were you, amazingly not everything you read is true.......
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You don't come across as being all that bright recently. Nintendo have always made a profit on every console they have sold. (maybe not the VB but that's irrelevant).
 
NokkonWud said:
The PC Gaming market is stale and has been stale for the last 3 years. The last game released on the PC I really enjoyed in Single Player? Max Payne 2. I couldn't put it down. The last good game released on the PC - Battlefield 2. The only other 'none stale' title I can think of would be WoW, but that really doesn't interest me at all.

The PC is bogged down by 'Just another RTS' or 'Just another FPS' - and thats about it. The last RTS to cause waves was Rome: Total War, now I didn't like it at all.

My point is, I honestly can't remember the last innovative game the PC had. I would probably hazard a guess at Half-Life. That was 1997.

As for FPS games being better on a PC, for online skirmishes, definitely, it's not necessarily true for Single Player games, I had much more fun on Call of Duty 2 and Prey on the Xbox360 than I did on the PC. All it takes is good programming on the side of getting the best out of a consoles controller. Another example would be Halo, it was much more fun on the Xbox controller than on mouse and keyboard.
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That's just your personal taste though.

I haven't been hooked on any games for a while, but I have still thoroughlly enjoyed games like Far Cry, UT 2004, Generals, HL2, F.E.A.R etc
 
Whilst I agree it is to personal opinion, only FarCry from that list strikes me as a different kind of game, but it wasn't revolutionary in the same way a game like Halo was for example.

UT2004 was UT2003 with vehicles and onslaught mode, many people still claim it to not be better than 1999's Unreal Tournament.
FEAR was overhyped and under-produced with some of the worst coding for system performance in recent memory.
Half-Life 2 was another over-hyped game, if you took away the physics there isn't a whole lot there, it pushed and pushed the physics engine, for me it was little more than an interactive physics showcase (and I know I'm not the only one who thinks that - Half-Life was my favourite game ever too).
C&C Generals, whilst good for fans of that genre, for me, no C&C game comes close to the original, which was 1995 I believe?
 
Kreeeee said:
You don't come across as being all that bright recently. Nintendo have always made a profit on every console they have sold. (maybe not the VB but that's irrelevant).
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I personally do not believe that. Bright or not. Ninty have a far broader games production 'pie' from which to regain costs. It would be a strange business decision if they DIDNT make consoles in the same way as sony and MS as itd put them too far behind
 
Ultra_Extreme said:
I personally do not believe that. Bright or not. Ninty have a far broader games production 'pie' from which to regain costs. It would be a strange business decision if they DIDNT make consoles in the same way as sony and MS as itd put them too far behind
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But in effect they are behind in terms of all out power of their latest consoles.

Fortunately for them they manage to get round this by appealing in different ways.

MS and Sony on the other hand would give their left testicle to be able to make money on their consoles but they have gone down the most powerful and best graphics route which costs as they are only using the latest technology.

What I will be interested in seeing is if the Wii is more reliable as a result but thats a whole different thread.
 
Ultra_Extreme said:
I personally do not believe that. Bright or not. Ninty have a far broader games production 'pie' from which to regain costs. It would be a strange business decision if they DIDNT make consoles in the same way as sony and MS as itd put them too far behind
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It's fact and their games division generates more than sony and microsofts gaming division.

Sales numbers aren't everything despite what the ignorant want to believe.

lordrobs said:
What I will be interested in seeing is if the Wii is more reliable as a result but thats a whole different thread.
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I can almost guarantee it will be because of heat and tolerance levels on the components.
 
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