Playstation Plus

dakaiez said:
The games, we pay for the online side of it now not the games.

Exactly as Microsoft did for so many years without any games thrown in at all.
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Mate, I had this in another thread, folks seem to forget MS were very content on charging for online for years with nothing other then online being supplied. MS even forced you to have live to use Sky go.

PS+ provided games, auto updating and cloud storage, now all of a sudden MS are super awesome for doing what Sony did for years, if it wasn't for PS+ games for gold would not have come about.

I for one do think paying for online gaming is a rip off, and live I felt was a rip off for years, but I guess times change, and Sony just moved the service into something else, being charged for online gaming is nothing new, but I just felt at the time Sony offered a bit more for your money.

I still think PS+ with auto updating, cloud and the games you get is still good value, and no doubt once the PS+ has a good number of years behind it the selection of free games will improve but its not a complete rip off, just not as good as it once was when it was first launched for PS3.
 
iv-tecman said:
Mate, I had this in another thread, folks seem to forget MS were very content on charging for online for years with nothing other then online being supplied. MS even forced you to have live to use Sky go.

PS+ provided games, auto updating and cloud storage, now all of a sudden MS are super awesome for doing what Sony did for years, if it wasn't for PS+ games for gold would not have come about.

I for one do think paying for online gaming is a rip off, and live I felt was a rip off for years, but I guess times change, and Sony just moved the service into something else, being charged for online gaming is nothing new, but I just felt at the time Sony offered a bit more for your money.

I still think PS+ with auto updating, cloud and the games you get is still good value, and no doubt once the PS+ has a good number of years behind it the selection of free games will improve but its not a complete rip off, just not as good as it once was when it was first launched for PS3.
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Exactly don't feel that any online gaming should be charged, but it was always going to happen though with Microsoft doing it. It would have been a stupid business decision from Sony to keep doing it for free when their rival was charging.

We didn't have PS+ from the get go either on PS3, it took three years before they even offered it and it took a while for the games to be up to the standard everyone expects from them now. It's almost been 2 years for the PS4, so i guess from next year the "standards" may be higher for some people.

End of the day if you play online regularly then it is worth the money and the games are a bonus and will be very much like marmite love/hate until the bigger titles start getting released.
 
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dakaiez said:
If you don't play anything online, then your not getting your moneys worth, if you do though then you are. It was never ever going to be free again, considering Microsoft were charging for live.

It was the games that made PS+ on PS3, now it's needed for gaming with the games as a bonus on PS4. If your feeling disgruntled at getting something for free then so be it, as your paying for online play not games any more.

I am more than happy with Rocket League, Resogun, Contrast, Metal Gear Solid, Apotheon and now Super Meat Boy. They alone have made the yearly sub worthwhile, that's without all the online play that i do.
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Who are you trying to fool, me or yourself?

Online gaming should be free, you say it as if you'd expect steam and origin to follow suit.
 
JoeBoi said:
Who are you trying to fool, me or yourself?

Online gaming should be free, you say it as if you'd expect steam and origin to follow suit.
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I am not trying to fool anyone, it should be free but it isn't. What is your point?

I don't expect them to follow suit, but Sony would have been stupid not to do the same when Microsoft did it for so long.

Who are you trying to fool when you think that you buy PS+ for games nowadays? PS3 it was for games, now it's to play online with the bonus of getting games.

End of the day it would be brilliant if it is free, unfortunately it isn't and i don't ever see that changing. So need to role with the times, rather than get all salty over it.
 
dakaiez said:
Who are you trying to fool when you think that you buy PS+ for games nowadays?
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Not sure I understand the confusion here; surely you buy it for whatever benefit you want from it? I don't play online much these days, but I'm still a PS+ member due to the other benefits. Yes, the games are noticeably worse these days but it works out as £2.84 a month so it's hard to begrudge it really; even if I only download one of the games a month (a scenario which is more likely these days) it's still cheap.
 
TheVoice said:
Not sure I understand the confusion here; surely you buy it for whatever benefit you want from it? I don't play online much these days, but I'm still a PS+ member due to the other benefits. Yes, the games are noticeably worse these days but it works out as £2.84 a month so it's hard to begrudge it really; even if I only download one of the games a month (a scenario which is more likely these days) it's still cheap.
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There is no confusion, I don't have any problem with the games we get or the cost. I was merely pointing out to someone who said they were not getting there moneys worth of "games" due to the quality of them.

I pointed out that the cost is first and foremost for the online play nowadays with the games as an added bonus. So if you play online then technically you are getting your moneys worth, as you wouldn't be able to play without it.

Later on down the line I feel the quality of games will improve, but for now we get what we get. In the end quite a few are disappointed as they are to used to the quality of games we received in the last year or two of PS3 and PS+ but that was 3 years after the console was released.
 
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dakaiez said:
In the end quite a few are disappointed as they are to used to the quality of games we received in the last year or two of PS3 and PS+ but that was 3 years after the console was released.
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But the games at that time were often fairly recent, many being 12 months old or less, so it's not like they were picking ancient titles from years before. People were saying a year ago that PS+ would improve because there'd be a bigger catalogue of older titles yet it just seems to have gotten worse, to the point that you don't even get a retail PS3 game a lot of the time. They could rename it Indie 2D Platformer Plus if they wanted.

But again, it's £3 a month, so even if I just get one game out of it I'm doing okay.
 
Yeah exactly between playing online daily and getting Rocket League, Metal Gear, Contrast, reso gun and a few others I've more than got my monies worth. It would be nice getting a few more non indie games but overall I'm happy with what I get for the cost.
 
Bought a PS4 today and trying to use the 1 month Plus code but when I try to add my PayPal account I keep getting told my email or password is wrong though I know they're not. Anyone got any idea as to why this is happening? I do have the sms security code feature activated and I'm wondering if it's that.
 
Moothead2 said:
Why?
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dakaiez said:
I am not trying to fool anyone, it should be free but it isn't. What is your point?

I don't expect them to follow suit, but Sony would have been stupid not to do the same when Microsoft did it for so long.

Who are you trying to fool when you think that you buy PS+ for games nowadays? PS3 it was for games, now it's to play online with the bonus of getting games.

End of the day it would be brilliant if it is free, unfortunately it isn't and i don't ever see that changing. So need to role with the times, rather than get all salty over it.
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Why?

Well PSN has been pretty terrible since launch and more recently with the launch of the PS4 it was a truly awful service, one which all us mugs were paying for, yet I'm being salty?

When Microsoft launched XBL it was pretty solid, rarely down etc. and now days Microsoft are offering dedicated servers for all games with their online play and better 'free' games (IMO).

So it still seems like the better paid service. Sony only followed as they saw the £'s. So it's a greedy decision that was not "for the players"

Yet despite my salty-ness I still pay for PS+ because I want to play online with my pals who don't own a PC.
 
online was completely free on ps2 and ps3.

It's basically MS making it a subscription service that has made sony follow suit.

MS have the servers and financial power to afford the best service. They use the same infrastructure for their entire corporation. The servers xbox live runs on is the same used for MS office, windows, etc.

Sony cannot compete on that front so instead they bundled games in, now MS has followed suit, so ideally Sony should follow suit and stump up for dedicated servers and better servers in general.

Either way it's like £25-£30 a year not a huge expense but their service is quite poor for a paid one. I'd rather have dedicated servers and no games than crappy random games.
 
Yeah I do agree compared to live in terms of stability, price and even experience Microsoft do it better. That's one thing that I always loved about gold over PSN. Sony have a lot to improve on in that aspect but it isn't that bad especially latelyr over previous bad months of downtime.

They do need to catch up a bit in my honest opinion.
 
JoeBoi said:
Why?

Well PSN has been pretty terrible since launch and more recently with the launch of the PS4 it was a truly awful service, one which all us mugs were paying for, yet I'm being salty?

When Microsoft launched XBL it was pretty solid, rarely down etc. and now days Microsoft are offering dedicated servers for all games with their online play and better 'free' games (IMO).

So it still seems like the better paid service. Sony only followed as they saw the £'s. So it's a greedy decision that was not "for the players"

Yet despite my salty-ness I still pay for PS+ because I want to play online with my pals who don't own a PC.
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No I agree entirely they did do it for greed, then again so did Microsoft starting the trend. Sony was always going to follow suit, it would be poor business if they hadn't as it's regular income.

End of the day it's now a service based on online play with games thrown in to sweeten the deal now. Hopefully in the future the games match what you expect to be getting but by no means are they really bad now just not everyone's cup of tea. I do feel Sony need to up their game though.
 
Did everyone get super meat boy in their ps+ line up? Had some other indie stuff but not that

Have already played on PC but portable version on my vita would be great. Such a stonking little game :)

Have to say I am really happy I have PS+. One feature some people never mention is the online storage aspect. I only have 8gb vita card so being able to store saves and go back to games whenever by reinstalling and dragging down save is great :)
 
Do you know if it still lags the system? When it first came out people said it caused system wide input lag, until it was restarted.
 
Zhokel said:
Broken Age (PS4/PS Vita)
Super Meat Boy (PS4/PS Vita)
Unmechanical Extended (PS4/PS3)
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In the interests of fairness I gave all the PS4 games a go last night:

Broken Age - Seems OK, adventure games not really my cup of tea (outside of Lucasarts one's back in the day), Interface seems clumsy and cursor was difficult to see at times? May go back and play at some point. ?/10 TBD

Super Meat Boy - Massively overrated, graphics are somewhat better than screen shots show (parallax scrolling etc works well). Played until the 1st boss. Decent enough but nothing special. Won't be playing again as it just another 2D platformer - 5/10.

Unmechanical Extended - Excited when I saw the Unreal Engine Logo, disappointed when I realised it was another 2D game. Puzzles seem decent enough. Graphics as expected by Unreal Engine are as nearly as good as you can get for a 2D game. Reasonable game but again nothing that hasn't been seen or done, by any of the other 2D games we have had over the past year - 5/10.


kmetek said:
Hardware: Rivals Beta

free for PS+
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Had a few go's at this and seems decent enough, a bit unfair as a new player though, with map effects that can instantly kill, if you don't know where to hide.
 
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