Poles

wormwood said:
Jesus don't apologise. It is a much worse crime if commited by a member of a foreign race in my opinion. English scum are our problem wether we like it or not, foreign scum should never have been allowed into our country so as to be our problem.
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This thread made me boil on the inside: 4 drunken idiots on a British motorway and suddenly all Poles are lazy, dishonest louts! You seem to so conveniently forget the appaling reputation British football hooligans have earned you throughout Europe, or the countless incidents of violence and drug trafficking perpetrated by British tourists in Cyprus or Spain - I was back home for only a week in late September (not even high season!), and in that time 1 Brit was arrested for dealing hard drugs, 2 were hospitalised for crashing while driving drunk, and 1 was arrested for allegedly raping a tourist girl!

They're EU citizens and have as much right to live and work here as you do to go to their country. They will not and should not be treated any differently for breaking the law here than a UK citizen would. If they did, it would be called discrimination, which is precicely what the EU is NOT about! How'd you like it if any Brit that commited a crime in another EU country had their sentence automatically doubled compared to what a local person would serve? Do you think that'd be a good idea? Especially considering the propensity of Brits abroad for getting drunk and causing trouble?

If you don't like it, pull out of the EU. No more common market, no more American multinationals setting up their European HQs in London, no more huge investment banks buying up everything on the continent. Watch Central London lose its status as the area with the highest per-capita income in all of Europe as all those City types sit around with nothing to do and see where your economy goes. Oh, I guess you'll rely on your thriving industry. Like British Leyland. And Bedford.
And for anyone too narrow-minded to understand the arguments I'm making, you'll also have no more holiday homes in Spain, no more cheap imports of European cars, and no more cheap trips to Ibiza.

Everyone on this continent needs each other: your politicians realize this, which is why they haven't pulled you out in spite of how popular a move it would be. If you don't have the brains to comprehend this then shut up and let your betters do the governing.
 
I had an old fellow moaning about the Poles at work the other day.

Apparently in Redditch, they have been nicking the fish out of the lakes etc, i really dont think he realised what he said.

Poles nicking fish.......geddit?

Ok i will get my coat.
 
jezsoup said:
Old news TBH, stories like this have been going on in papers for ages. I odnt think its a case of having no respect for us or the country its more a case of different cultures.
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I know it's old news, I posted it in the SC immigration thread at the time :) I just posted it here in response to wohoo.

You are right that their culture is different, but they must respect our culture and our rules when they are guests in our country. They can't claim they didn't know they shouldn't take the fish because there are signs in their native language.
 
manveruppd said:
This thread made me boil on the inside: 4 drunken idiots on a British motorway and suddenly all Poles are lazy, dishonest louts!
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Well seen as you have quoted me can you explain how you have come to the conclusion that I feel this way about Poles? I have never said or hinted at anything like that.

manveruppd said:
You seem to so conveniently forget the appaling reputation British football hooligans have earned you throughout Europe, or the countless incidents of violence and drug trafficking perpetrated by British tourists in Cyprus or Spain - I was back home for only a week in late September (not even high season!), and in that time 1 Brit was arrested for dealing hard drugs, 2 were hospitalised for crashing while driving drunk, and 1 was arrested for allegedly raping a tourist girl!
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I haven't forgotton any of that and I would expect foriegn citizens would feel just as bitter as I would at any harm done by guests to their country.

manveruppd said:
They're EU citizens and have as much right to live and work here as you do to go to their country. They will not and should not be treated any differently for breaking the law here than a UK citizen would. If they did, it would be called discrimination, which is precicely what the EU is NOT about! How'd you like it if any Brit that commited a crime in another EU country had their sentence automatically doubled compared to what a local person would serve? Do you think that'd be a good idea? Especially considering the propensity of Brits abroad for getting drunk and causing trouble?
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Who said anything about them being punished more severely? Clearly you are reading far too much into the posts in this thread. Again what I said was that I would feel that much more bitter if a guest to my country was to behave in a disgusting manner while he was here. I did not once say they should be punished more severly. I actually said apart from holidaymakers the only people allowed into this country should be the cream of the crop. I said that our immigration polocies need a complete overhaul so we only allow proffesionals that our country is in desperate need of. I believe we have enough problems with our own people, who I don't see as any better but do believe our country has responsibility for.

manveruppd said:
If you don't like it, pull out of the EU. No more common market, no more American multinationals setting up their European HQs in London, no more huge investment banks buying up everything on the continent. Watch Central London lose its status as the area with the highest per-capita income in all of Europe as all those City types sit around with nothing to do and see where your economy goes. Oh, I guess you'll rely on your thriving industry. Like British Leyland. And Bedford.
And for anyone too narrow-minded to understand the arguments I'm making, you'll also have no more holiday homes in Spain, no more cheap imports of European cars, and no more cheap trips to Ibiza.

Everyone on this continent needs each other: your politicians realize this, which is why they haven't pulled you out in spite of how popular a move it would be. If you don't have the brains to comprehend this then shut up and let your betters do the governing.
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As long as we have the ability to make our own laws I couldn't give a monkeys wether we are in the EU or not. If being a member requires that we have to obey laws not suited to our country then the EU can go to hell.

Please don't refer to our politicians as my betters and show some respect to your fellow posters who may have a differing opinion to yours.
 
cleanbluesky said:
I don't see how his commentary is any more racist that the standard "Lazy Brit" diatribe many are fond of in here... or do you not consider characterisations and generalisations of people YOU identify with as racist?
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Everyone is a little bit racist, it seems to be a natural ingrained thing. I am not sure where it comes from, probably a range of factors but mainly the media I would guess. Most people won't admit to it though.

The Lazy Brit ethic is just as ignorant and racist as the OP. I never said it wasn't. There is a differance between characterising people as lazy and aggressive, dangerous and violent though.
 
Hehe wait till the Bulgarians get here...things can only get worse. One thing i cannot understand for the life of me is why the UK feels that it needs to take on most of the EU migrants??. Isnt there some sort of quota for each country??. Another laughable part of the UK, silly immigration laws that allow just about anyone to come here and leech off the system.

Send them all back!!!111!!, give the UK back to the white british people:p.

Arcade Fire said:
I must have missed the part where you (or anyone else, for that matter) owned the whole country. Most foreigners here own or rent their own place much like most British people. There's no "special onus" on them to comply with the law any more than there is for someone who's lived there for their whole life.
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Hehe :p, neither did i realise that there is some sort of 'special onus' for us foreigners to comply with the law.

But then the question remains, am i foreigner even though i was born here and hold a full british passport??....hmmmm tbh i feel like one but then at some points i feel as british as anyone else bar the dodgy canadian accent i still have lol:p.
 
Spawn said:
Hehe wait till the Bulgarians get here...things can only get worse. One thing i cannot understand for the life of me is why the UK feels that it needs to take on most of the EU migrants??. Isnt there some sort of quota for each country??. Another laughable part of the UK, silly immigration laws that allow just about anyone to come here and leech off the system.

Send them all back!!!111!!, give the UK back to the white british people:p.
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Well that's easy, as a nation we want consistent economic growth at a higher rate than we are willing to pay for. Therefore we need to import cheep labour from somewhere else, eastern Europe is the easiest place to get it and we don't even have to make any effort to attract them. We can treat them far worse than British people, pay them less and get away with it. I cannot understand why anyone cannot understand this. It has been an admitted government policy for quite some time now.

Yes other countries have quota's, we went for growth though. People are complaining now so we are going for quota's and stifling growth.

They are in no way silly immigration laws, they are very effectively doing what they set out to achieve. The goals may be silly but the laws are very good.
 
snow patrol said:
We live in a multi-cultural society and the sooner people started accepting it and trying to get on with things, the better.
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Not a very convincing argument, to merely state that the country is 'multicutural' without defining what that means, then decrying any complaint as 'non-acceptance' of the country's supposedly natural mode of multicultural operation...

The same argument (or lack thereof) can be used to justify terrorism and pretty much anything disagreeable.
 
cleanbluesky said:
Not a very convincing argument, to merely state that the country is 'multicutural' without defining what that means, then decrying any complaint as 'non-acceptance' of the country's supposedly natural mode of multicultural operation...

The same argument (or lack thereof) can be used to justify terrorism and pretty much anything disagreeable.
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From my point of view, he dosent have to give any more arguement as it is. The context at which he was reffering to "multicural" (ism) is that not only white britsh/english peple live in this country...there are other races too. I dont know how convincing you want him to get.

I honsetly dont see how terrorism and what not can be used in this context like you did.
 
Send em back imo, they take our jobs and leech from the countries bank balance.

It's bad enough having other nationalities drifiting over here, having more and more is just getting beyond the joke.

If they must live their life over here, why can't they just behave?
 
Can someone explain to me the benefits of letting all these people in? Im sure there are some (there must be).

All I see they do is in my experience, take all the low paid jobs, so UK citizens cannot get them.

It annoys me when I go into tescos and cant find something, and have to walk around past all the foreign staff and find someone who can actually do their job properly. Ask a foreign staff member and they can hardly understand you, let alone point you in the right direction.

Things worked perfectly well the way they were...

Our country seems like such a huge advantage to them, but a huge disadvantage to us.

Maybe im wrong
 
jonesy said:
Can someone explain to me the benefits of letting all these people in? Im sure there are some (there must be).
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Would you accept minimum wages for the most rubbish jobs? We need them to boost the economy, take it or leave it. Are your parents happy or whoever pays the bill to hire a builder who charges 50pounds a day or a polish worker who will do the same job (assuming every thing is equal) for 30 pounds?



Our country seems like such a huge advantage to them, but a huge disadvantage to us.

Maybe im wrong
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Half full or half empty? Im sure there are plenty of polish and eu people who speak proper english.
 
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ElRazur said:
Would accept minimum wages for the most rubbish jobs? We need them to boost the economy, take it or leave it. Is your parent happy or whoever pays the bill hire a builder who charges 50pounds a day or a polish worker who will do the same job (assuming every thing is equal) for 30 pounds?





Half full or half empty? Im sure there are plenty of polish and eu people who speak proper english.
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I would rather pay the local builder, all that is doing is out pricing the local contracters.
 
jonesy said:
I would rather pay the local builder, all that is doing is out pricing the local contracters.
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Now i cant help but think your answer does not in anyway refelct what you would do in real life. :p
 
ElRazur said:
From my point of view, he dosent have to give any more arguement as it is. The context at which he was reffering to "multicural" (ism) is that not only white britsh/english peple live in this country...there are other races too. I dont know how convincing you want him to get.

I honsetly dont see how terrorism and what not can be used in this context like you did.
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This has nothing to do with the topic, Poles are white...

If you want to justify the presence of foreign things with rhetoric such as "this is a multicultural country, get used to it" then you are merely saying if you disagree with foreign practice you are Wrong. And look what wonderful foreign practices that can include...
 
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