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Enoch Powell told everyone what would happen and they screamed ‘racist” - it’s happening as he foretold.
Vast swathes of the country are now swamped with immigrants and this has fundamentally changed the way we live sadly - but your branded a Nazi saying anything.
London has been totally ruined with these violent parasite criminals who have no intention of contributing or integrating at any level.

Right, because London was never known for crime before dem immigrants. Were the Krays from Albania?

London is ruined - totally ruined and as a Londoner born in the sixties it breaks my heart to see it now - it’s like going to another country - no other country would tolerate it.

Ever been to Spain or Portugal? Full of Brits.

It is time people had a long hard conversation about some home truths and to my mind if you cannot fulfill three key elements when coming to this country then you should not be welcomed and you should be removed.
1. Contribute and no benefits of any shape or manner for five complete years of you contributing to the system you wish to exploit
In places like Saudi and Dubai if your out of work 28 days your out of the country - it’s that simple - none screams they are racist or unfair.

Illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits, refugees have the same rights as native born people.

And people absosutely call Saudi Arabia, Quatar etc. racist because they often are. Particularly towards east Asian immigrants.


It’s time we took our country back and made it a place where only decent people can live

Decent people? You mean White British people. Say what you mean.

2. Integrate fully - if your not willing to do that fully and that includes learning the language you are out - why should the indefinite population have to carry your needs ?
Your a guest - behave like one who wants to stay and integrate fully - there are no excuses not to

The irony of someone that has a Year 3 grasp on the English language demanding others learn it.


3, commit serious crime you are out - permanently and any appeal process is done from their end and at their expense.
As a British citizen I do not want foreign nationals criminal tossers living in my country - it’s that simple, in the same way you wouldn’t want them in your house as guests I don’t want any foreign criminal in my country either - so if you cannot follow British laws you cannot live in Britain - that should be the first basic rule for anyone who moves to this country and NOT having that in place has made us the dumping ground of Europe for every ******, ponce and criminal.


Firstly we are hardly a dumping ground. The UK has around 9 immigrants per 1000 inhabitants.

Malta has 55 per 1000, a lot of them British.

Luxembourg, Cyprus, Spain, Estonia, Slovenia, Belgium, Denmark, Germany and many others have higher rates of immigration than we do.

I know this won't change your opinion, because your feelings come before facts.


don’t believe me, take a walk through Brixton with an iPhone 11 out - it’s ruined and feral scum walk the streets of London openly armed now and untouched

I was in Brixton and Camden a couple months back. I got mugged and or/approached zero times.

We have lost our capital
I also believe that a big contributor to this has been the left wing ********* approach and the criminalisation of child discipline - we now have a generation of tossers prowling the streets who have grown up with no boundaries, no right and wrong and those feral wasters will kill you for a mobile phone or perceived wrong look.
Until we start punishing people properly it can and will only get worse
National service needs to return and prison is the full sentence passed , no phones in cells , no play station , 23 hour bang up and the death sentence for cop killers and peadophiles.
The message would soon be clearly understood and society would get back to being a safer place for everyone - currently it is anything but

Violent crime in the UK has been steadily declining since 1995, seems like your generation were more of an issue.
 
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Frankly if people can't teach right and wrong without violently smacking their children, then they don't deserve them and they don't deserve to live in this country.

Also it seems to (unsurprisingly) have the exact opposite effect on unruly (anti-social) children, it makes them worse offenders and more aggressive, ergo it seems rather logical to me that they'd be more likely to commit passionate crimes in the future.

I mean just look at the incidence of child abuse victims that go on to themselves be child abusers, it's hardly a stretch to include all forms of abuse and resultant outcomes... which I might add includes coddling children too much, the other extreme is nearly as unreasonable for children who are forced to learn morality from peers instead.
 
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Right, because London was never known for crime before dem immigrants. Were the Krays from Albania?



Ever been to Spain or Portugal? Full of Brits.



Illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits, refugees have the same rights as native born people.

And people absosutely call Saudi Arabia, Quatar etc. racist because they often are. Particularly towards east Asian immigrants.




Decent people? You mean White British people. Say what you mean.



The irony of someone that has a Year 3 grasp on the English language demanding others learn it.





Firstly we are hardly a dumping ground. The UK has around 9 immigrants per 1000 inhabitants.

Malta has 55 per 1000, a lot of them British.

Luxembourg, Cyprus, Spain, Estonia, Slovenia, Belgium, Denmark, Germany and many others have higher rates of immigration than we do.

I know this won't change your opinion, because your feelings come before facts.




I was in Brixton and Camden a couple months back. I got mugged and or/approached zero times.



Violent crime in the UK has been steadily declining since 1995, seems like your generation were more of an issue.


There is a huge difference between the expat community living in Spain than the immigrants living in London.

If you fail to grasp that it is no wonder why you cannot understand the issue here.

Also re Madrid's ethnicity

Race & Ethnicity
The largest Madrid racial/ethnic groups are White (96.4%) followed by Two or More (1.9%) and Hispanic (1.3%).
 
Frankly if people can't teach right and wrong without violently smacking their children, then they don't deserve them and they don't deserve to live in this country.

Also it seems to (unsurprisingly) have the exact opposite effect on unruly (anti-social) children, it makes them worse offenders and more aggressive, ergo it seems rather logical to me that they'd be more likely to commit passionate crimes in the future.

I mean just look at the incidence of child abuse victims that go on to themselves be child abusers, it's hardly a stretch to include all forms of abuse and resultant outcomes... which I might add includes coddling children too much, the other extreme is nearly as unreasonable for children who are forced to learn morality from peers instead.


A couple of days ago you were stating crime in the high immigrant level Singapore is very low and indicates high immigration need not equate to disruption. I explained why that is, and it includes the lawful ability to physically punish your children. You ignored the reply. Given a sufficiently robust policing and punishment system it is obviously possible for high immigration, probably carefully selected, to result in a low crime situation. However without a sufficiently robust policing and punishment system it seems this is not likely, as the UK clearly indicates with its published ethnic crime rates. For your appraisal here again is how Singapore ensures harmony, or at least adherence to lawfulness:

They have the death sentence for murder, narcotic usage and narcotic supply, mandatory in many instances. Lesser criminals get a damn good beating. They have a very robust attitude to criminality in general hence they have one of the world's lowest crime rates. They are allowed to physically punish their children if deemed necessary for their obedience to stay safe or within the law. If I was being nasty I might also say because they don't listen to people like you ;)

These beatings of adult male offenders are thought to be a very good deterrent, they are not some Billy Bunter affair, they are canings using a water soaked rattan cane of half inch diameter. The multiple strokes are administered under medical supervision by fit, robust men, and have to be given using all the strength they can muster on bare buttocks of the naked criminal in a partitioned off prison yard.

The recipient is tied to a trestle and often faints. The scars can be lifelong. The recipients are not told when they will be taken from their cells for punishment, which adds to the psychological trauma and apparently results in very few reoffending and coming back for more...

Misdemeanours and offences that can result in a beating include vandalism, graffitti, sexual molestation, grooming, sexual impropriety, illegal immigration, legal immigration that results in outstaying of passes, hiring illegal immigrants, transporting illegal immigrants, rioting, public order offences and many many more.

All these offences are highly prevalent in the UK, yet very rare in Singapore. One has to assume they don't "like it across `em".

I have no doubt at all that if the UK justice and punishment system changed overnight to mimic that of Singapore a massive and rapid drop in criminality would result.
 
The cop was born in New Zealand,and the killer was mixed race and born in the UK(mum is English). His family was devout Christians. His surname was De Zoysa(variant of de Soysa) which is Portuguese because the father even though he was from abroad had Portuguese ancestors. Why are the usual suspects making this into another culture war?

I think some of you seriously spend way too much on social media. The UK for the most part has a standard of living much better than most countries. Our crime rate despite police cutbacks is still lower than the global average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Our homicide rate is 174 out of 230 on that list. The US is 94th. Some of you just make this country sound like its the middle of some war zone.

Even London is higher than national average but lower than many other cities in the US:
https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/16/murder-graph-shows-london-killings-compare-us-cities-9971033/
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/london-murder-rate_uk_5d05f0b8e4b0dc17ef0b1f25

This is mostly a peaceful and law abiding country. If you want to moan any increases in crime,then point the finger at the politicians who keep underfunding the police. However,everytime there is a chance for a war abroad,magically find money to do so.

The fact most of our police don't need to have guns shows this.

Instead,a number of you just get paranoid reading our media,much of which is foreign owned/invested who seems to like twisting things.
 
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The cop was born in New Zealand,and the killer was mixed race and born in the UK(mum is English). His family was devout Christians. His surname was De Zoysa which is Portuguese because the father even though he was abroad had Portuguese ancestors. Why are the usual suspects making this into another culture war?


Cos they lack the global experience to put it down to anything else, and "hurrrr durrrrr immigrants" is as far as their restrictive intelligence will take them.
 
The cop was born in New Zealand,and the killer was mixed race and born in the UK(mum is English). Why are the usual suspects making this into another culture war?


To be brutally honest, but you HAVE asked. Many of us do not 100% equate what's on a birth certificate with being English. Appearance, cultural background and current cultural activities, the ability and willingness to speak English, the support for our flag, way of life, history and legal sysytem, et cetera et cetera all are part of the way many of us assess the "Englishness" of those amongst us. To me, the only person I can 100% speak for, the killer is far from what I think of as English. The legal system and how a person views someone being English are demonstrably very different. Such discrepancies may lie uneasily on some, but we are where we are, and that's how it currently is, here and in many other countries.
 
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The cop was born in New Zealand,and the killer was mixed race and born in the UK(mum is English). His family was devout Christians. His surname was De Zoysa(variant of de Soysa) which is Portuguese because the father even though he was from abroad had Portuguese ancestors. Why are the usual suspects making this into another culture war?

I think some of you seriously spend way too much on social media. The UK for the most part has a standard of living much better than most countries. Our crime rate despite police cutbacks is still lower than the global average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Our homicide rate is 174 out of 230 on that list. The US is 94th. Some of you just make this country sound like its the middle of some war zone.

Even London is higher than national average but lower than many other cities:
https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/16/murder-graph-shows-london-killings-compare-us-cities-9971033/
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/london-murder-rate_uk_5d05f0b8e4b0dc17ef0b1f25

This is mostly a peaceful and law abiding country.The fact most of our police don't need to have guns shows this. Instead,a number of you just get paranoid reading our media,much of which is foreign owned/invested who seems to like twisting things.

Quite an indictment really.
 
Quite an indictment really.

If there are any rises in crime,its because multiple governments have been defunding police for years,which means they are stretched. Yet,are quite happy to spend billions on foreign military escapades,and £10s of billions on offensive military equipment.

Then we can have the general public blaming each other for why there is too much crime,etc. It doesn't matter who or what you are most of us are in the same boat really. The whole us vs them,is more divide and conquer stuff. Better to have the plebs fight amongst themselves,as it distracts them! ;)

It seems those with the purse strings seem more concerned with what is happening outside the country than inside it.
 
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If there are any rises in crime,its because multiple governments have been defunding police for years. Yet,are quite happy to spend billions on foreign military escapades,and £10s of billions on offensive military equipment.
Then we can have the general public blaming each other for why there is too much crime,etc. It does matter who or what you are,most of us are in the same boat really. Except it seems those with the purse strings seem more concerned with what is happening outside the country than inside it.

So now you are blaming the police for crime?

Do moral values , the concept of right and wrong only exist if we are a police state?


When I walk down the road and see an old person, I dont not rob her because there might be a policeman nearby. I dont commit the crime because it would ostensibly be a terrible thing to do.

We all know that. Lower levels of policing dont change that.
 
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If there are any rises in crime,its because multiple governments have been defunding police for years. Yet,are quite happy to spend billions on foreign military escapades,and £10s of billions on offensive military equipment.

Then we can have the general public blaming each other for why there is too much crime,etc. It does matter who or what you are most of us are in the same boat really. The whole us vs them,is more divide and conquer stuff. Better to have the plebs fight amongst themselves,as it distracts them! ;)

It seems those with the purse strings seem more concerned with what is happening outside the country than inside it.

Neglecting the fact it's been proven that immigrants and minorities commit more crime per capita...

Herp derp governments fault.
 
If there are any rises in crime,its because multiple governments have been defunding police for years.

Defunding the police is a "progressive" or radical left stance though these days, imported from the US... which is a bit ironic given it's been Tory policy for years.
 
The police are overpaid in this country in my opinion and aren't keeping the country safe at all, knife crime is out of control and drug dealing is basically legal but if you offend someone on ******* you'll get a plod knock on your door!
 
The police are overpaid in this country in my opinion and aren't keeping the country safe at all, knife crime is out of control and drug dealing is basically legal but if you offend someone on ******* you'll get a plod knock on your door!

Overpaid? Haha.

Underpaid and overworked would be closer to reality.
 
The police are overpaid in this country in my opinion and aren't keeping the country safe at all, knife crime is out of control and drug dealing is basically legal but if you offend someone on ******* you'll get a plod knock on your door!
Would you put your life at risk every day for a starting pay of £20,880? Would you want to work very unsocial hours for it too?
 
I applied 3 times about 15 years ago, even had a person in the force fill out the application but it seems my name or face doesn't fit or possibly they would have rejected their own hire a few years down the line.
 
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