Police pursuits

abbotsmike · 6 May 2014 at 19:17

Dis86 said:
Not in terms of a rapid expansion of gasses. There may well be catastrophic structural failure.

Do you actually genuinely think this is a sensible plan, or are you just trolling?

Dis86 · 6 May 2014 at 19:20

Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't a sniper though. He wasn't good enough. Granted he was a marksman. He was also shooting from a substantial distance with a firearm design that even in the 60s was 70 years old!

Dis86 · 6 May 2014 at 19:22

abbotsmike said:
Do you actually genuinely think this is a sensible plan, or are you just trolling?

Far more sensible than just letting them go and potentially kill innocent motorists and pedestrians, yes.

Tefal · 6 May 2014 at 19:23

Dis86 said:
Far more sensible than just letting them go and potentially kill innocent motorists and pedestrians, yes.

well how do you deal with the crash and the aftermath tying up vital firefighting resources and blocking the roads. firetruck dealing with your burning car cant be saving the life of others.

abbotsmike · 6 May 2014 at 19:23

Dis86 said:
Far more sensible than just letting them go and potentially kill innocent motorists and pedestrians, yes.

So instead catastrophically damaging a fast moving vehicle which would then be quite likely to kill innocent motorists and pedestrians is better?

I think the current system of giving chase is better to be honest.

Dis86 · 6 May 2014 at 19:26

abbotsmike said:
So instead catastrophically damaging a fast moving vehicle which would then be quite likely to kill innocent motorists and pedestrians is better?

I think the current system of giving chase is better to be honest.

Read back where I clearly state they assess the risk and choose when to take the shot.

Dis86 · 6 May 2014 at 19:27

Tefal said:
well how do you deal with the crash and the aftermath tying up vital firefighting resources and blocking the roads. firetruck dealing with your burning car cant be saving the life of others.

The same way you would if they crashed as a result of a stinger, tactical stop or crash from their own negligence.

wazza300 · 6 May 2014 at 19:29

why don't they build in a remote kill switch? then they can turn off the cars engine remotely

would mean cops out of jobs though so obv they wont ever do that

Tefal · 6 May 2014 at 19:30

wazza300 said:
why don't they build in a remote kill switch? then they can turn off the cars engine remotely

would mean cops out of jobs though so obv they wont ever do that

cause imagine that system getting hacked?

wazza300 · 6 May 2014 at 19:30

put into every cars ecu? or hidden so no one knows where it is

Tefal · 6 May 2014 at 19:32

wazza300 said:
put into every cars ecu? or hidden so no one knows where it is

cause people wouldn't rip that apart find out it works and then start sitting near motorways setting it off at all....

would be pretty easy o find to given it would need an antenna, not something typicaly found inside an ecu.

wazza300 · 6 May 2014 at 19:34

I reckon it could be done easily,they just don't wanna put cops out of jobs

if you can get a text if your cars stolen then they can easily design something to kill the engine management remotely

only the manufacturers could know where its installed ect,you could even hide the antenna inside the bodyshell skin

TheVoice · 6 May 2014 at 19:40

wazza300 said:
I reckon it could be done easily,they just don't wanna put cops out of jobs

Unless your computer system is going to investigate and arrest too I'm not sure how you've arrived at that ridiculous conclusion. I think you'll find the sheer cost of it would be the prohibitive factor.

wazza300 · 6 May 2014 at 20:17

TheVoice said:
Unless your computer system is going to investigate and arrest too I'm not sure how you've arrived at that ridiculous conclusion. I think you'll find the sheer cost of it would be the prohibitive factor.

that part plod can do,but aimless chasing can be ruled obsolete

Woden · 6 May 2014 at 20:19

Dis86 said:
Between two objects with equal speed and direction the relative velocity is zero.

In a vacuum.

Now take into account that the relative velocity will never actually be zero, the car will swerve, turn, the helicopter has all that pesky wind to deal with.

builder22 · 6 May 2014 at 20:33

you don't see many of them but I like the chases when they manage to get away

this has to be one of the best https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DnAQw0W-Pkc#t=55

Tefal · 6 May 2014 at 20:44

wazza300 said:
I reckon it could be done easily,they just don't wanna put cops out of jobs

if you can get a text if your cars stolen then they can easily design something to kill the engine management remotely

only the manufacturers could know where its installed ect,you could even hide the antenna inside the bodyshell skin

no someone would just dismantle the ECU and find it pretty quickly. "hiding" it snit going to work as it can just be traced back. you can hide the antenna in the body shell sure but tracing this random pair of wires back to the ecu then going through the board wouldn't take long.

once its hacked what stops people setting up their own version of the police transmitter and causing massive accidents at will?

Also it would have to have a universal code as what do you do if the cars got fake plates?

and how targeted is this gonna be is it just a quick burst that turns off every car in front of you for so many meters?

or is it gonna be like a cell phone signal unique to each car (thus requiring monthly service costs to pay for the mobile service just like those alrms) but then again what do you do if it's got fake plates?

oh and "only the manufactures would know" so just thousands of fitters electronics designers and cheap Chinese assembly workers would know then....

Haggisman · 6 May 2014 at 21:39

Dis86 said:
Source http://www.military-sf.com/Sniper.htm

Jesus, that reads like it was written by a 12 year old for a school project!

Woden · 6 May 2014 at 21:40

Tefal said:
no someone would just dismantle the ECU and find it pretty quickly. "hiding" it snit going to work as it can just be traced back. you can hide the antenna in the body shell sure but tracing this random pair of wires back to the ecu then going through the board wouldn't take long.

once its hacked what stops people setting up their own version of the police transmitter and causing massive accidents at will?

Also it would have to have a universal code as what do you do if the cars got fake plates?

and how targeted is this gonna be is it just a quick burst that turns off every car in front of you for so many meters?

or is it gonna be like a cell phone signal unique to each car (thus requiring monthly service costs to pay for the mobile service just like those alrms) but then again what do you do if it's got fake plates?

oh and "only the manufactures would know" so just thousands of fitters electronics designers and cheap Chinese assembly workers would know then....

Not if you make it illegal to disable it!

JaWalks · 6 May 2014 at 21:55

According to the IPCC around 30 people per year, on average, are killed in RTC's involving the Police. Obviously that includes criminals, cops and innocent bystanders. That's really not many and we don't know how may lives are saved by successful police chases do we?

People have to accept that accidents will always happen. You can't just let people commit a crime and then drive away to freedom.