Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

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  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

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This isn't a myth - if she's got a large majority from her own party then that makes talks far easier, if she's got a small majority then that gives more leverage to the hardcore remainers...

After a general election the make up and position of each MP can change, we don't know what position/direction those with the balance of power will have.
Frankly to plead for the electorate to give "her" a large majority for the sake of "strong and stable" government is becoming a running joke that has warn thin and ignores that:

1. We aren't voting for her (in all constituencies bar 1)
2. It is feasible that even a large majority government (and/or parliament in general) could be as divided as the British public were on a topic such as Brexit rendering the "majority" irrelevant.
3. May, why u beggin it so much, innit :)
 
Truly are we a country of enlightened individuals that every politician seems to have a car crash interview now, i guess the bar is set such that the least car-crashed party is supposed to lead Westminster?
 
Not every interview I've seen is a car crash (unless you are a sky news anchor perhaps).
Important though it is, Champion is a little wasted in the equality role IMHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llls-hQOI9I

Hard to believe she inhabits the same party as Dianne Abbot. I wonder if the two have ever actually shaken hands or if opposite charges just propel them across the room when they get near each other.
 
OK to let British troops kill Irish civilians then aswell?

Corbyn is a man of principle, the principle being in the UK is doing it, it must be wrong, so no.

Although there is a whole different argument here about the states monopoly on the legitimate use of force...
 
Did anyone say that? British troops haven't been given any 'get out of jail free cards', unlike IRA terrorists.

wut? Below lads might disagree.

Six civilians were killed on 9 August, these were:
Francis Quinn (19), shot by a sniper (who had taken position at the nearby army base) while going to the aid of a wounded man.
Fr. Hugh Mullan (38), a Catholic priest, shot by a sniper while going to the aid of a wounded man.
Joan Connolly (50), shot as she stood opposite the army base.
Daniel Teggart (44), was shot fourteen times. Most of the bullets entered his back, allegedly as he lay injured on the ground.
Noel Phillips (20), shot as he stood opposite the army base.
Joseph Murphy (41), shot as he stood opposite the army base. Murphy was subsequently taken into army custody and after his release, as he was dying in hospital, he claimed that he had been beaten and shot again while in custody. When his body was exhumed in October 2015, a second bullet was discovered in his body, which activists say corroborate his claim.[15]

One civilian was shot on 10 August, and another four were shot on 11 August, these were:
Edward Doherty (28), shot while walking along Whiterock Road.
John Laverty (20) and Joseph Corr (43) were shot at separate points at the Top of the Whiterock Road. Laverty was shot twice, once in the back and once in the back of the leg. Corr was shot multiple times and died of his injuries on 27 August.
John McKerr (49), shot by unknown attackers while standing outside the Roman Catholic church, died of his injuries on 20 August.
Paddy McCarthy (44) got into a confrontation with a group of soldiers. Family allege an empty gun was put in his mouth and the trigger pulled. McCarthy suffered a heart attack and died shortly thereafter.


John 'Jackie' Duddy, age 17. Shot as he ran away from soldiers in the car park of Rossville Flats. The bullet struck him in the shoulder and entered his chest. Three witnesses said they saw a soldier take deliberate aim at the youth as he ran. He was the first fatality on Bloody Sunday. Like Saville, Widgery also concluded that Duddy was unarmed. His nephew is boxer John Duddy.
Michael Kelly, age 17. Shot in the stomach while standing at the rubble barricade on Rossville Street. Both Saville and Widgery concluded that Kelly was unarmed.
Hugh Gilmour, age 17. Shot as he ran away from soldiers near the rubble barricade. The bullet went through his left elbow and entered his chest.[53] Widgery acknowledged that a photograph taken seconds after Gilmour was hit[54] corroborated witness reports that he was unarmed, and that tests for gunshot residue were negative.[4]
William Nash, age 19. Shot in the chest at the rubble barricade. Witnesses stated Nash was unarmed. Three people were shot while apparently going to his aid, including his father Alexander Nash.[55]
John Young, age 17. Shot in the face at the rubble barricade, apparently while crouching and going to the aid of William Nash.[55] Two witnesses stated Young was unarmed.
Michael McDaid, age 20. Shot in the face at the rubble barricade, apparently while crouching and going to the aid of William Nash.[55]
Kevin McElhinney, age 17. Shot from behind, near the rubble barricade, while attempting to crawl to safety. Two witnesses stated McElhinney was unarmed.
James 'Jim' Wray, age 22. Shot in the back while running away from soldiers in Glenfada Park courtyard. He was then shot again in the back as he lay mortally wounded on the ground. Witnesses, who were not called to the Widgery Tribunal, stated that Wray was calling out that he could not move his legs before he was shot the second time.
William McKinney, age 26. Shot in the back[56] as he attempted to flee through Glenfada Park courtyard.[58]
Gerard McKinney, age 35. Shot in the chest at Abbey Park. A soldier ran through an alleyway from Glenfada Park and shot him from a few yards away. Witnesses said that when he saw the soldier, McKinney stopped and held up his arms, shouting "Don't shoot! Don't shoot!", before being shot. The bullet apparently went through his body and struck Gerard Donaghy behind him.
Gerard Donaghy, age 17. Shot in the stomach at Abbey Park while standing behind Gerard McKinney. Both were apparently struck by the same bullet. Bystanders brought Donaghy to a nearby house, where he was examined by a doctor. The doctor opened Donaghy's clothes to examine him, and his pockets were also searched for identification. Two bystanders then attempted to drive Donaghy to hospital, but the car was stopped at an Army checkpoint. They were ordered to leave the car and a soldier drove it to a Regimental Aid Post, where an Army medical officer pronounced Donaghy dead
. Shortly after, soldiers found four nail bombs in his pockets. The civilians who searched him, the soldier who drove him to the Army post, and the Army medical officer, all said that they did not see any bombs. This led to claims that soldiers planted the bombs on Donaghy to justify the killings. Donaghy was a member of Fianna Éireann, an IRA-linked republican youth movement. Paddy Ward, a police informer[59] who gave evidence at the Saville Inquiry, claimed he gave two nail bombs to Donaghy several hours before he was shot.[60] The Saville Report concluded that the bombs were probably in Donaghy's pockets when he was shot. However, it concluded that he was not about to throw a bomb when he was shot; and that he was not shot because he had bombs. "He was shot while trying to escape from the soldiers".
Patrick Doherty, age 31. Shot from behind while attempting to crawl to safety in the forecourt of Rossville Flats. He was shot by soldiers who came out of Glenfada Park. Doherty was photographed, moments before and after he died, by French journalist Gilles Peress. Despite testimony from "Soldier F" that he had shot a man holding a pistol, Widgery acknowledged that the photographs show Doherty was unarmed, and that forensic tests on his hands for gunshot residue proved negative.[61]
Bernard 'Barney' McGuigan, age 41. Shot in the head when he walked out from cover to help Patrick Doherty. He had been waving a white handkerchief to indicate his peaceful intentions.[4]
John Johnston, age 59. Shot in the leg and left shoulder on William Street 15 minutes before the rest of the shooting started.[62] Johnston was not on the march, but on his way to visit a friend in Glenfada Park.[62] He died on 16 June 1972; his death has been attributed to the injuries he received on the day. He was the only one not to die immediately or soon after being shot.
 
I've been speaking to some friends from Northern Ireland. They're utterly frustrated with the way that their daily lives only get used as a political football by people from the mainland.

They say no-one gave a damn about Northern Ireland when it came to Brexit. No-one gave a damn about Northern Ireland when it came to abortion rights. No-one gave damn about Northern Ireland when it came to marriage equality.

They say that the only time politicians or newspapers from Great Britain care about Northern Ireland or The Troubles is when it serves their own self interests. And they have an over-simplistic - and sometimes completely false - view of the situation.
 
Why should we listen to regressive voices?

There was no way that 1.8-9 million people were going to stop 63-64m people having equal marriage or abortion rights...

When it comes to Brexit, its certainly different... but we all know whats going to happen there, so little stake in bothering to mitigate.
 
Hard to believe she inhabits the same party as Dianne Abbot. I wonder if the two have ever actually shaken hands or if opposite charges just propel them across the room when they get near each other.

It's good that people can at least see that some of the Labour team are capable, intelligent and switched on MPs. For his poor choices, it is understandable that Corbyn has trouble selecting viable team members from the parliamentary Labour MP's, essentially many Blairite's are red tories entirely out of step with the party and increasingly the British public obviously they make difficult Bed fellows.
 
There was no way that 1.8-9 million people were going to stop 63-64m people having equal marriage or abortion rights...

People in Northern Ireland don't have either of these rights. We talk about the UK being this land of enlightenment but there's still corners of this kingdom where women are denied abortions and gay people can't marry their partners - and no-one on the mainland seems to care. That's what my friends find frustrating.
 
It's good that people can at least see that some of the Labour team are capable, intelligent and switched on MPs. For his poor choices, it is understandable that Corbyn has trouble selecting viable team members from the parliamentary Labour MP's, essentially many Blairite's are red tories entirely out of step with the party and increasingly the British public obviously they make difficult Bed fellows.

I've remembered where I recognise her from as well, now. She was the MP that pushed for all the changes and protections after the Rotherham abuse cases. Were she my MP she would certainly get my vote.
 
Apparently this Man Fallon along with Gove, (forgot 200 Billion chancellor) Hammond and (Strong and Stable but oh so far away from people) May, are so much more eloquent and capable than Corbyn etc that we have no choice but to let them plough on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv37NERzIhU


Fallon is the one who said that is on our right to do nuclear pre-emptive strikes.....
So he sees no issues wiping out few million civilians for no reason....
 
Fallon is the one who said that is on our right to do nuclear pre-emptive strikes.....
So he sees no issues wiping out few million civilians for no reason....
Hmm, I feel you might be slightly misrepresenting what he said there :D
 
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