Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th
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Strange to base your decision solely on the Home Secretary, and as above they're all awful. May used to be HS herself and was caught for failing to tell the truth under oath.
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To Diane Abbot, yes.
Someone with an IQ of 80 would be preferable to that idiotic racist.
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Diane Abbot is a massive drag anchor for anything she is associated with.
Gobpieces tend to be.
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She's shadow home secretary now...
When forming a cabinet in government, your shadow cabinet doesn't automatically become the actual cabinet.
When forming a cabinet in government, your shadow cabinet doesn't automatically become the actual cabinet.
Quite. And the fact the examples given by Scorza are completely different interventions - very targeted and either designed to back up the existing government against rebels (such as Sierra Leone) or designed specifically to discourage an action by a government and provide a peacekeeping force to police it afterwards (Yugoslavia). Compare that to the regime change and dismantling for government and security systems of Iraq and Libya creating a power vaccum which was taken advantage of by insurgents.
France may not have taken part in Iraq, but was a member of the Afghanistan coalition sicnce 2001 , was an instrumental factor in the assault on Libya (UK and France were the two main advocates) and also has a significant, often conflict heavy history in North Africa in general, for example the Algerian war of independence which resulted in hundred of thousands killed.
Mali is in part a spillover from the instability in Libya after the collapse of Gadaffi, part independence war and part taking advantage of instability within the county itself (Toureg rebellion and the coup both causing instability and ineffectual security services).
The CAR on the other hand also stems from civil unrest and rebellion (largely secular) and has ended up with a situation of reprisal attacks on both Christians and Muslims, with the latest episode including the displacement of thousand stars of Muslims and several massacres.
The Philippines has it's origins, as discussed in the other thread - replies to which Scorza has obviously ignored - in the colonisation of the area by the Spanish and the forced integration and conversion to Christianity of an existing Muslim state. The current insurgency stems directly from this - a fight for an independent state.
Nigeria has similar roots, a large sultanate in the area was superseded by British colonization and conversion to Christianity, with the current issues having origins in a fight for an independent Islamic state in a predominantly Christian country (after we sent in missionaries).
So there we go, a bit of background on al of Scorzas examples. While that doesn't excuse the actions of anyone it just goes to show things aren't quite as simple as he's trying to make out.
For me, this is where the people argument falls down. As a group, the Tory front-benchers aren't any more appealing than the Labour ones. Diane Abbot is certainly the least appealing of the lot, but that's balanced by a generally higher concentration of muppets on the government benches.
TBH they're all pretty awful choices this time round. Chairman May and her cronies to start with, then we have Corbyn who seems to be backed an equally useless group, and then we have the Lib Dems. Are they even running this election? The media coverage of their campaign is non existent. I'm not sure if it's better to have non existent media coverage of the unjustifiably negative coverage Crobyn seems to get from every media outlet (including the more left wing ones).
It's just about the worst election choice I've seen in any of the elections I've taken notice of.
The manifestos are "interesting". Again the Lib dems - do they even have one or is it written on the back of a piece of scrap paper? Labour again gaining unduly negative reporting of what appears to be by far the most considered manifesto this election, even if many of the policies are rather "interesting". And the Conservative manifesto - I can only assume someone wrote it on the back of some toilet roll when going to the loo one day and kept using it by mistake, subsequently writing something similar each time on another scrap of toilet paper - it would help explain all the U turns...
It's just about the worst election choice I've seen in any of the elections I've taken notice of.
The manifestos are "interesting". Again the Lib dems - do they even have one or is it written on the back of a piece of scrap paper? Labour again gaining unduly negative reporting of what appears to be by far the most considered manifesto this election, even if many of the policies are rather "interesting". And the Conservative manifesto - I can only assume someone wrote it on the back of some toilet roll when going to the loo one day and kept using it by mistake, subsequently writing something similar each time on another scrap of toilet paper - it would help explain all the U turns...
Health Minister?
Chancellor of the Exchequer?
Defence?
Lol, I can't go on. The thought is hilarious.
This really. For once I'm probably going to vote tactically though to try and stop a conservative candidate getting in at Gedling. I've probably voted conservative more than other parties historically, although I do switch about a bit. They've gone to far though this time, I can't stand May and never have so my stance this time round is ABC, Anything But Conservative.
It makes me lol though when people talk of Corbyn's past when all of them have shady pasts, Cameron ****** a dead pigs head and maria gatland, Croydon candidate is an ex IRA member who advocated killing soldiers. All of them are self profiting pigs.
Following on from that I think it's true to say that many people who would be okay-ish with a Conservative government still don't want them to have too much power. The Conservatives will win - that much is almost certain. But I think many people are considering voting against them just to make sure they don't get an overwhelming majority. If they do, all the Conservative policies that we like the least - China-style Internet controls, sexual prudery, further Middle East entanglements, wholesale destruction of the NHS - will be unstoppable. With a small majority or even forced into a minority or coalition with the LibDems, they are constrained to reign in their worst excesses. Many people actually liked the Con-Lib coalition because they are broadly right-wing on many issues but don't want the Conservatives other attributes such as moralising and hawkishness. What is the old Libertarian slogan? "Keeping the Democrats out of your wallet and the Republicans out of your bedroom". For many the Con-Lib coalition was something along those lines - the car they wanted but with working brakes.
Tory voters are not, on the whole, stupid. They tend to be smart and quite educated. They are able to recognise that you can want Conservatives but not want to hand them a blank cheque. I think some will either not vote or occasionally even vote against for this reason.
The Tories will still get in, though.
it's not a great selection but personally yes i would prefer all the above to Abbott
Seems like a bit of a false equivalence - one former PM doing something crude and disgusting as a student another potential PM actively supporting and sympathising with a terrorist group.
(Yes I agree that the Tour councillor is bad too and shouldn't be in that post but she's not running for PM)
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I agree. Despite Labour shortening the gap in the polls and despite the Conservative's disastrous campaign, I think it's still going to be a landslide victory.
It would be funny if the Conservatives gained only a handful of seats though. Where would that leave May's mandate for a hard Brexit?
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The EU don't give a toss if May has a majority anyway, the only reason she called a General election is because labour were perceived as weak.
They've only got themselves to blame for narrowing polls.
They've only got themselves to blame for narrowing polls.
You mean soft Brexit surely? She's not pushing for hard Brexit but certainly could be more likely to end up that way without a large majority.
This should have been an easy landslide win for May and the Tories, but incompetence and complacency in putting together their manifesto have seriously damaged them. As much as I'd like to believe otherwise, they're still easily on course for a solid victory but nothing like the massive Labour rout it looked like they'd get when the election was called.
Which is probably a shame because it will mean Corbyn will limp on and May will continue to have to appease the hard right Tories.
I'm not sure at all - just look at the poll in this thread - Labour+LibDems get more votes that the Conservatives, and this is supposed to be a Tory forum. Since Manchester there has been a swing to Labour. Very worrying - Diane Abbot as Home Secretary...
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