I had to stab myself in the face after listening to it.....with a sharp butter knife
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I had to stab myself in the face after listening to it.....with a sharp butter knife
Another raving review of the new Cayman S from Chris Harris:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/...211&nmt=RE:+Driven:+Porsche+Cayman+S#topicTop
Spec'd one up last night with PCCB, PSE, PASM, Buckets with some other options, came to 64k, but damn I suspect this new Cayman is going to be so immense and looks totally wow factor too.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/...211&nmt=RE:+Driven:+Porsche+Cayman+S#topicTop
Spec'd one up last night with PCCB, PSE, PASM, Buckets with some other options, came to 64k, but damn I suspect this new Cayman is going to be so immense and looks totally wow factor too.
News on the new 991 GT3 from PH via Rennlist
Taken from a post today on Rennlist -
Information after discussion with the test driver and engineers and watching/touching the actual car. It sounds incredible. Exactly like a cup car.
Completely different PDK and engine is a bespoke motorsports block and the basis for the next gen Cup engine. Dry sump.
Yes, it's not the DFI 9A1 and it's not the Mezger. It's a new engine!
- RPM to 10K, redline 9 dead, 3.8L engine. Power is north of 450hp but they wouldn't say exactly.
- No PDCC, no PTV *at least not in this car
- New rear wing, very similar to 997.2 wing, but up close it's more refined
- Air scoop is beautiful, center feeding
- Car is running Dunlop Sport MAXX, 245/20 front 305/20 rear
- Car retains traditional 3 piece muffler, identical side mufflers as before but looks like a new, smaller center.
- New brake system, front caliper is ENORMOUS, disc is alternating drilled size.
- New recaro seats, foldable (not one piece), car was a Clubsport version fitted with the rear cage
- Ring times are right around 7.30
- Center locks
- ESC (electronic stability control), TC, sport exhaust, PDK-S (on the center console)
- Wide body chassis from C4
- rear control arms look like the ones in the 997 GT cars
More information (corrections) and perhaps a vid, later
Taken from a post today on Rennlist -
Information after discussion with the test driver and engineers and watching/touching the actual car. It sounds incredible. Exactly like a cup car.
Completely different PDK and engine is a bespoke motorsports block and the basis for the next gen Cup engine. Dry sump.
Yes, it's not the DFI 9A1 and it's not the Mezger. It's a new engine!
- RPM to 10K, redline 9 dead, 3.8L engine. Power is north of 450hp but they wouldn't say exactly.
- No PDCC, no PTV *at least not in this car
- New rear wing, very similar to 997.2 wing, but up close it's more refined
- Air scoop is beautiful, center feeding
- Car is running Dunlop Sport MAXX, 245/20 front 305/20 rear
- Car retains traditional 3 piece muffler, identical side mufflers as before but looks like a new, smaller center.
- New brake system, front caliper is ENORMOUS, disc is alternating drilled size.
- New recaro seats, foldable (not one piece), car was a Clubsport version fitted with the rear cage
- Ring times are right around 7.30
- Center locks
- ESC (electronic stability control), TC, sport exhaust, PDK-S (on the center console)
- Wide body chassis from C4
- rear control arms look like the ones in the 997 GT cars
More information (corrections) and perhaps a vid, later
Looks epic! Far better than the test mules with tiny wings, though I still think 997.2 is the best looker. 
Ring time needs be sub 7:30 as the C2S s like 7:37 is it not? You'd hope an extra 60BHP, less weight, more track focused and stickier tyres would give a bigger improvement like circa 7:20
Is this the 3800cc in current cars just fettled with even more or a brand new engine?
Ring time needs be sub 7:30 as the C2S s like 7:37 is it not? You'd hope an extra 60BHP, less weight, more track focused and stickier tyres would give a bigger improvement like circa 7:20
Is this the 3800cc in current cars just fettled with even more or a brand new engine?
See above, it is again a different lump.
Even though it's PDK that 9000rpm is gonna be immense and sound awesome. I'd not be surprised if an RS version is later announced with 500BHP and option of manual.
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Caporegime
There isn't much apart from Bike Engines and Honda VTECs that have a 9k redline.
Seriously impressive if it makes it to production like that.
Seriously impressive if it makes it to production like that.
Soldato
Caporegime
I know sod all about hondas but i thought the S2000 had a 9k redline ?
It does, might even be 9200rpm, but unfortunately I think the S2000 is now a car no longer made.
Also the fact this is a flat 6 with such huge power and torque, to have that kind of redline is simply epic.
Also no doubt that a remap will release that to around 9400rpm, as current GT3's when mapped rev to approx 8500rpm.
The noise will be completely intoxicating, as my car at 7000rpm sounds immense, unfortunately it all ends at 7400rpm. So an extra 1500rpm with an even better sounding engine, will be just WANT ONE!
Soldato
Why are you both confusing redline with rev limiter? It's quite a difference.
If the Porsche is 10,000 then 1000rpm ontop of the S2000 is quite a feat! Much bigger swept volume so that's more piston mass and stroke to deal with.
If the Porsche is 10,000 then 1000rpm ontop of the S2000 is quite a feat! Much bigger swept volume so that's more piston mass and stroke to deal with.
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Taken from elsewhere and relating to the 997 GT3 Gen 1
Damaged unit parts due to high engine speed.
The information below is intended to help you to evaluate engine damage, which may occur as a result of one or more overspeed events. You can also use the values entered in the VAL to improve the assessment process for granting pre-owned car warranties, for example, and to examine entitlements for carrying out repairs under warranty.
Engines are designed to operate at a maximum permitted speed. This engine speed is not exceeded when the vehicle is driven normally. However, driving and operating problems (e.g. “changing to the wrong gear” on vehicles with manual transmission) or manipulation (e.g. tuning) can cause the maximum permitted engine speed to be exceeded when the vehicle is driven.
Overspeed events are stored in the DME control unit. The following values are also recorded:
- Number of ignition attempts in each overspeed range 1), and,
- Status of the hourmeter during the last overspeed event 2).
1) Overspeed range = Defined rev ranges with classification of expected engine damage, e.g. engine damage possible, ... probable, ... very probable, engine damage has generally occurred; see section ⇒ 'Rev ranges'.
2) For technical reasons, overspeed events are entered in a preset time interval. As a result, there may be entries in a higher rev range (e.g. range 2), while no entries are stored in the lower range.
Typical faults and symptoms as a result of overspeed events may include the following:
* Damaged valves and/or pistons (impact marks on the valve, valve impressions on the piston, valve bent).
* Cylinder liner damage (even “piston seizure”).
* Damaged or displaced connecting rod bearings.
* Loosened or loose fastening screw(s) on the crankshaft pulley.
* Loosened or loose fastening screw(s) on the camshaft gear.
* Loosened or loose connecting rod bolts.
* Cracked timing chain(s).
* Changed timing.
* Irreparably damaged clutch elements (pressure plate and/or drive plate).
* Vibrations and/or engine imbalance due to irreparably damaged clutch elements.
* Vibrations around the transmission.
* Defective synchronisation.
Information
If such faults or symptoms are present together with engine damage, the VAL that was created must be checked for overspeed entries.
If overspeed entries are found and if the difference between the current hourmeter and the status when the last overspeed event was recorded is less than 50 operating hours, there is a high probability that the damage was caused by overspeed event(s).
The value “50 operating hours” should be seen as a guide. The possibility of engine damage occurring much later due to previous overspeed event(s) cannot be ruled out.
Rev ranges - 997 GT3:
Create the VAL before deleting the fault memory. Overspeed events are documented as follows in the VAL:
Rev range 1: 8,400 -1 ... to 9,200 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 2: 9,200 -1 ... to 9,400 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 3: 9,400 -1 ... to 9,600 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 4: 9,600 -1 ... to 10,000 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed clearly exceeded; engine damage probable.
Rev range 5: 10,000 -1 ... to 11,000 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed very clearly exceeded; engine damage very probable.
Rev range 6: over 11,000 -1
⇒ Engine damage has generally occurred.
Information
Before starting engine repairs and submitting a warranty claim or granting a pre-owned car warranty:
In the event of overspeed events in range 4 – 6, we recommend that you contact the Technical Hotline before starting repairs or granting a pre-owned car warranty in order to find out how to proceed and agree on warranty entitlements.
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Damaged unit parts due to high engine speed.
The information below is intended to help you to evaluate engine damage, which may occur as a result of one or more overspeed events. You can also use the values entered in the VAL to improve the assessment process for granting pre-owned car warranties, for example, and to examine entitlements for carrying out repairs under warranty.
Engines are designed to operate at a maximum permitted speed. This engine speed is not exceeded when the vehicle is driven normally. However, driving and operating problems (e.g. “changing to the wrong gear” on vehicles with manual transmission) or manipulation (e.g. tuning) can cause the maximum permitted engine speed to be exceeded when the vehicle is driven.
Overspeed events are stored in the DME control unit. The following values are also recorded:
- Number of ignition attempts in each overspeed range 1), and,
- Status of the hourmeter during the last overspeed event 2).
1) Overspeed range = Defined rev ranges with classification of expected engine damage, e.g. engine damage possible, ... probable, ... very probable, engine damage has generally occurred; see section ⇒ 'Rev ranges'.
2) For technical reasons, overspeed events are entered in a preset time interval. As a result, there may be entries in a higher rev range (e.g. range 2), while no entries are stored in the lower range.
Typical faults and symptoms as a result of overspeed events may include the following:
* Damaged valves and/or pistons (impact marks on the valve, valve impressions on the piston, valve bent).
* Cylinder liner damage (even “piston seizure”).
* Damaged or displaced connecting rod bearings.
* Loosened or loose fastening screw(s) on the crankshaft pulley.
* Loosened or loose fastening screw(s) on the camshaft gear.
* Loosened or loose connecting rod bolts.
* Cracked timing chain(s).
* Changed timing.
* Irreparably damaged clutch elements (pressure plate and/or drive plate).
* Vibrations and/or engine imbalance due to irreparably damaged clutch elements.
* Vibrations around the transmission.
* Defective synchronisation.
Information
If such faults or symptoms are present together with engine damage, the VAL that was created must be checked for overspeed entries.
If overspeed entries are found and if the difference between the current hourmeter and the status when the last overspeed event was recorded is less than 50 operating hours, there is a high probability that the damage was caused by overspeed event(s).
The value “50 operating hours” should be seen as a guide. The possibility of engine damage occurring much later due to previous overspeed event(s) cannot be ruled out.
Rev ranges - 997 GT3:
Create the VAL before deleting the fault memory. Overspeed events are documented as follows in the VAL:
Rev range 1: 8,400 -1 ... to 9,200 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 2: 9,200 -1 ... to 9,400 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 3: 9,400 -1 ... to 9,600 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 4: 9,600 -1 ... to 10,000 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed clearly exceeded; engine damage probable.
Rev range 5: 10,000 -1 ... to 11,000 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed very clearly exceeded; engine damage very probable.
Rev range 6: over 11,000 -1
⇒ Engine damage has generally occurred.
Information
Before starting engine repairs and submitting a warranty claim or granting a pre-owned car warranty:
In the event of overspeed events in range 4 – 6, we recommend that you contact the Technical Hotline before starting repairs or granting a pre-owned car warranty in order to find out how to proceed and agree on warranty entitlements.
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