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And a more 'reality' perspective

RANGE 1 Maximum engine speed exceeded; engine damage very unlikely.
RANGE 2 Maximum engine speed exceeded; engine damage unlikely.
RANGE 3 Maximum engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
RANGE 4 Maximum engine speed clearly exceeded; engine damage probable.
RANGE 5 Maximum engine speed very clearly exceeded; engine damage very probable.
RANGE 6 Engine damage has generally occurred.
 
Correct data including rev ranges when evaluating overspeed events on a 05-08 Carrera.



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If overspeed entries are found and if the difference between the current hourmeter and the status when the last overspeed event was recorded is less than 50 operating hours, there is a high probability that the damage was caused by overspeed event(s).
The value “50 operating hours” should be seen as a guide. The possibility of engine damage occurring much later due to previous overspeed event(s) cannot be ruled out.


Rev ranges:

Rev range 1: 7,200 -1 ... to 7,500 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 2: 7,500 -1 ... to 7,700 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 3: 7,700 -1 ... to 7,900 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 4: 7,900 -1 ... to 8,400 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed clearly exceeded; engine damage probable.
Rev range 5: 8,400 -1 ... to 9,500 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed very clearly exceeded; engine damage very probable.
Rev range 6: over 9,500 -1
⇒ Engine damage has generally occurred."
 
What's the big deal with the over revving on these cars then? Are the owners incapable of down-shifting properly? Never heard of such a big to-do with any other car :confused:
 
Clarkey said:
What's the big deal with the over revving on these cars then? Are the owners incapable of down-shifting properly? Never heard of such a big to-do with any other car :confused:
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Another get out clause for Porsche on warranty.

It also gives a new buyer peace of mind when buying to request a DME report, ranges 1-3 are fine, anything 4 or above need some serious thought before buying. So time to check operating hours and if it happens a long time ago in the cars life its generally safe to assume no damage was done.

My car when I purchased it had like 3000-4000 ignitions in range 1 and about 1500 in range 2, with like 4-10 in range 3.

It now has twice as many in range 1, a few more in range 2 and 3, still nothing in 4 or above.

My range 1 has increased lots simply because I use all the revs the car has to offer when enjoying it, changing up at the limiter, never missed a downshift though. :)
 
Clarkey said:
What's the big deal with the over revving on these cars then? Are the owners incapable of down-shifting properly? Never heard of such a big to-do with any other car :confused:
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Well for a start not many road cars are running as highly stressed engines. Secondly the GT3 probably has more people taking them on track than any other road car outside things like Caterhams per those sold. Also, it is one of the last old school cars with manual boxes to fudging a down change is more easily done. That's why together with Porsche making sure they don't keep mending blown up cars due to driver error, which in reality is very rare. The rev ranges to worry about are not limiter hits, they are buzzes due to hooking the wrong cog.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Why are you both confusing redline with rev limiter? It's quite a difference.

If the Porsche is 10,000 then 1000rpm ontop of the S2000 is quite a feat! Much bigger swept volume so that's more piston mass and stroke to deal with.
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Is their a purpose to having a 10k redline if the rev limiter is set to 9000 rpm ?
 
Porsche engine is design for a specific use, hence the engineering into the full powertrain, why should they have to fix that when its occured due to abuse - hence the various ranges logged by ECU. Don't know why its a suprise Clarkey?


MrLOL said:
Is their a purpose to having a 10k redline if the rev limiter is set to 9000 rpm ?
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No idea what you're refering to?

The S2000 redline is 8k with rev limiter at 9000.

The red line/zone is a warning. Thats why it's red.

Same deal with this 911 GT3, just everything appears to be 1000rpm higher.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
The S2000 redline is 8k with rev limiter at 9000.
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Actually it's not if it works like all the other GT3's. Mine was red lined at 8200 and that is where the limiter comes in, the 997 was 8400. This will be redlined at 9000 but you wont get past that on pure acceleration, it will limit at 9000.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Ah ok, so the source you referenced was referring to the dash, I assumed it was on about the engine.

That's a bit like gauging a cars top speed from the dash max isn't it? :D

Although the S2000 defiantly is like that.
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It might have changed this time around, but I can't see them giving you 10K to play with, but that would be immense if they did. The 991 Cup Car is I believe restricted to 7500 interestingly.
 
I suspect being Porsche the GT3 will be circa 460bhp, the RS will be 475bhp. Great until you realise the RS4.0 was 500bhp from its 4L lump, the pinnacle of 911's in my book so far.
 
Gibbo said:
My car when I purchased it had like 3000-4000 ignitions in range 1 and about 1500 in range 2, with like 4-10 in range 3.

It now has twice as many in range 1, a few more in range 2 and 3, still nothing in 4 or above.

My range 1 has increased lots simply because I use all the revs the car has to offer when enjoying it, changing up at the limiter, never missed a downshift though. :)
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That's interesting... Where is the red line, and where is the limiter on yours then? I thought the redline was visual guidance, and the limiter kicked in a little later, but still before the threshold for a range 1 "alarms"? Ie, I thought the only way to produce even a range 1 alarm was to buzz the engine on downshift?
 
panthro said:
Thinking of going to look at this. I want a new car for the spring and summer. Currently tied between a Z4M and Boxster S. Has to be convertible.

http://www.maundrelland.co.uk/porsc...ats-one-owner-in-oxfordshire-for-sale-2100108
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Lovely as that looks, I'd want more options boxes ticked personally...

I found the Boxster S a more complete car than the Z4M. Less powerful, but more complete. Others may look at it the other way & say that the Z4M is more raw...

Significantly more storage space and much better tank range in the Boxster...
 
Kingy said:
That's interesting... Where is the red line, and where is the limiter on yours then? I thought the redline was visual guidance, and the limiter kicked in a little later, but still before the threshold for a range 1 "alarms"? Ie, I thought the only way to produce even a range 1 alarm was to buzz the engine on downshift?
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Housey said:
Correct data including rev ranges when evaluating overspeed events on a 05-08 Carrera.



"
If overspeed entries are found and if the difference between the current hourmeter and the status when the last overspeed event was recorded is less than 50 operating hours, there is a high probability that the damage was caused by overspeed event(s).
The value “50 operating hours” should be seen as a guide. The possibility of engine damage occurring much later due to previous overspeed event(s) cannot be ruled out.


Rev ranges:

Rev range 1: 7,200 -1 ... to 7,500 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 2: 7,500 -1 ... to 7,700 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 3: 7,700 -1 ... to 7,900 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed exceeded; engine damage possible.
Rev range 4: 7,900 -1 ... to 8,400 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed clearly exceeded; engine damage probable.
Rev range 5: 8,400 -1 ... to 9,500 -1
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed very clearly exceeded; engine damage very probable.
Rev range 6: over 9,500 -1
⇒ Engine damage has generally occurred."
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Range 1 is 7200rpm onwards, limiter kicks in around 7400rpm, so easy to register more range 1 with spirited driving. Range 2 needs you to hit the limiter hard, i.e. bounce off it to creep into 7500rpm territory, thats why range 2 does not increase as quick.

Range 3 will be a miss shift, a very slight engine buzz.

All cars for sale have range 1 and 2 typically, I'd be very worried and suspicious if they did not, range 3 if it happened a while ago not an issue, just range 4 and above to look out for. Porsche will only put warranties on a car that have nothing in 4 and above, though range 4 is at discretion of Porsche, range 5/6 however is impossible more or less to get a warranty on, thats if the car is still alive.
 
Gibbo said:
Range 1 is 7100rpm onwards, limiter kicks in around 7300rpm, so easy to register more range 1 with spirited driving.
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Interesting, any idea how I go about finding about the relevant numbers for the Boxster 987 3.2S?

I'd seen something similar to this:

Housey said:
Engines are designed to operate at a maximum permitted speed. This engine speed is not exceeded when the vehicle is driven normally. However, driving and operating problems (e.g. “changing to the wrong gear” on vehicles with manual transmission) or manipulation (e.g. tuning) can cause the maximum permitted engine speed to be exceeded when the vehicle is driven."
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...previously, and had always taken "driven normally" to include hitting the limiter... Obviously I'm not talking about bouncing off the limiter all the time, just the occaisional instance when you misjudge & clumsily tag the limiter just before changing up.

So in simple terms, hitting the rev limiter (or even just below) = exceeding maximum engine speed, and triggering a (minor) over rev alarm?
 
Gibbo said:
Range 1 is 7200rpm onwards, limiter kicks in around 7400rpm, so easy to register more range 1 with spirited driving. Range 2 needs you to hit the limiter hard, i.e. bounce off it to creep into 7500rpm territory, thats why range 2 does not increase as quick.

Range 3 will be a miss shift, a very slight engine buzz.

All cars for sale have range 1 and 2 typically, I'd be very worried and suspicious if they did not, range 3 if it happened a while ago not an issue, just range 4 and above to look out for. Porsche will only put warranties on a car that have nothing in 4 and above, though range 4 is at discretion of Porsche, range 5/6 however is impossible more or less to get a warranty on, thats if the car is still alive.
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Ah ok, so by implication, does that mean that Porsche will put a warranty on (or honour an existing warranty) on a car that has over-rev alarms in range 1, 2 and even 3?
 
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