Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

Intrigued to see how the 4 wheel steering is received, the electric PAS got enough criticism in the cooking 991 for lack of feel and a move away from the purity of the 997 and preceding models...no longer the wholly analogue machine it once was.
 
Interesting how die hard fans seem to stick up for it still even though the whole philosophy seems to have shifted. You'd think they are the ones who would be purists.
 
No one can judge it till it arrives but the love for it comes from the fact they've never made a bad one. Beards will moan but beards have never bought a GT3. I don't like flappy paddles on the cars I've driven but times change. I still remember Hans Stuck running the first PDK back in the 80's in the 956 T car.
 
Rear wheel steering when properly done can be amazing, full control over vehicle dynamics as well as almost impossible lane change maneuvers.

An interesting post I once read on S2ki by Nick G:

Indeed; but it also gives me a reason to re-post the following:

LJK Setright: What happened to four-wheel active steering?
The car responds with alacrity and accuracy regardless of your speed
Tuesday, 2 March 2004
So long as they remain in contact with the road, all four tyres of the car share its weight. They also share the task of stopping it; in four-wheel-drive cars they share the burden of making it go; and in all cars, in case you had not realised it, they share the duty of steering.
Conventional cars being what they are (gross travesties of engineering ideals), the rear tyres only get steering instructions by devious means. You turn the steering wheel: the front wheels turn, their tyres begin to generate a lateral force to move the nose of the car.
What happens next is a complex sequence of changing forces, all time-consuming and most of them destabilising, which result in the rear tyres taking on their share of making the car follow the desired course. By stages the car settles into a steady-state cornering mode which should continue until you do something else.
With active steering, all four tyres assume their new duties simultaneously. All those intermediate phases are eliminated: the car responds with alacrity and accuracy, regardless of how fast or how hard you are cornering.
Engineers have been investigating four-wheel steering for a long time. An Italian named Amati built a fine prototype in 1927; a couple of Britons, Freddie Dixon and Tony Rolt, built a frightful one a decade later.
The first hint of modern active steering came in 1983 when Mazda revealed that they were working on a four-wheel-steering system. First in production, though, came the Honda Prelude of 1987, with a system whereby the rear wheels were steered according to the steering input by the driver, and in which road speed was irrelevant.
I was enchanted by it: a succession of 4WS Preludes has served as my personal transport ever since. My present one will have to last the rest of my life, for they do not make them any more.
Deftness, adroitness, sensual gratification, agility, accuracy: all these terms come flooding to mind when trying to explain why this car is nicer to drive than anything else. What may matter most is the supreme ability to dodge, which has saved me from an assortment of accidents involving either errant road-users or things falling off lorries. As a lane-changer, especially at high speeds, the Prelude must be without peer.
Every other manufacturer pronounced it rubbish while privately trying to find a way of equalling it without paying royalties to Honda. Nissan and Mitsubishi produced approximations made farcical by an electronic time-delay, which ruined the effect. BMW tried a version in their 850 coupe, but failed to persevere. The French and Audi VW offered rear-wheel steering that was a disgusting system of squishy suspension mounts, The remainder waited for 4WS to go away, and their judgement was good: it went.
What killed active steering? Car salesmen. People who are good at selling things are not the sort who can explain the dynamic benefits: the most they could do was to point out how much easier it made parking.
It was a tragedy. All sorts of things matter from time to time when driving - brakes, accelerator response, gearbox - but the one thing in use all the time is the steering. To make do with second-best is not merely risky, it is heart-rending. Fancy technology sells cars today, but it has to be something that can be seen. Something that can at best be felt, however worthy, is unlikely to open wallets.
 
Rear wheel steering when properly done can be amazing, full control over vehicle dynamics as well as almost impossible lane change maneuvers.

An interesting post I once read on S2ki by Nick G:

Indeed; but it also gives me a reason to re-post the following:

LJK Setright: What happened to four-wheel active steering?
The car responds with alacrity and accuracy regardless of your speed
Tuesday, 2 March 2004
So long as they remain in contact with the road, all four tyres of the car share its weight. They also share the task of stopping it; in four-wheel-drive cars they share the burden of making it go; and in all cars, in case you had not realised it, they share the duty of steering.
Conventional cars being what they are (gross travesties of engineering ideals), the rear tyres only get steering instructions by devious means. You turn the steering wheel: the front wheels turn, their tyres begin to generate a lateral force to move the nose of the car.
What happens next is a complex sequence of changing forces, all time-consuming and most of them destabilising, which result in the rear tyres taking on their share of making the car follow the desired course. By stages the car settles into a steady-state cornering mode which should continue until you do something else.
With active steering, all four tyres assume their new duties simultaneously. All those intermediate phases are eliminated: the car responds with alacrity and accuracy, regardless of how fast or how hard you are cornering.
Engineers have been investigating four-wheel steering for a long time. An Italian named Amati built a fine prototype in 1927; a couple of Britons, Freddie Dixon and Tony Rolt, built a frightful one a decade later.
The first hint of modern active steering came in 1983 when Mazda revealed that they were working on a four-wheel-steering system. First in production, though, came the Honda Prelude of 1987, with a system whereby the rear wheels were steered according to the steering input by the driver, and in which road speed was irrelevant.
I was enchanted by it: a succession of 4WS Preludes has served as my personal transport ever since. My present one will have to last the rest of my life, for they do not make them any more.
Deftness, adroitness, sensual gratification, agility, accuracy: all these terms come flooding to mind when trying to explain why this car is nicer to drive than anything else. What may matter most is the supreme ability to dodge, which has saved me from an assortment of accidents involving either errant road-users or things falling off lorries. As a lane-changer, especially at high speeds, the Prelude must be without peer.
Every other manufacturer pronounced it rubbish while privately trying to find a way of equalling it without paying royalties to Honda. Nissan and Mitsubishi produced approximations made farcical by an electronic time-delay, which ruined the effect. BMW tried a version in their 850 coupe, but failed to persevere. The French and Audi VW offered rear-wheel steering that was a disgusting system of squishy suspension mounts, The remainder waited for 4WS to go away, and their judgement was good: it went.
What killed active steering? Car salesmen. People who are good at selling things are not the sort who can explain the dynamic benefits: the most they could do was to point out how much easier it made parking.
It was a tragedy. All sorts of things matter from time to time when driving - brakes, accelerator response, gearbox - but the one thing in use all the time is the steering. To make do with second-best is not merely risky, it is heart-rending. Fancy technology sells cars today, but it has to be something that can be seen. Something that can at best be felt, however worthy, is unlikely to open wallets.

Remember it on my Prelude, it was certainly a positive thing!
 
Hi there

New GT3 PDK is stupidly quick!

0-100mph in 7.5s vs the 4.0 RS time of 7.8s, goes to show the PDK certainly helps the figures.

Certainly a very very quick car even in a straight line which is not what the GT3 was built for, but is no slouch by any means and never has been. :)
 
The GT3 is deceptively quick in a straight line, people just don't imagine it to be that quick. It's not Nissan GTR quick, but my GT3 was able to see off all the main TVR's over 3/4 miles at FT2007 and also the 996 Turbo's and it matched the 997 GT3 that was there too. The advantage at that event was traction against the TVR's no question, but once it was up around 130mph the GT3 was able to hold distance, over 150mph it started to pull away again. I know all of the 70 odd TVR boys were very surprised how none of them, bar 1 special, could match the pace of my GT3.

Still, my mates SL65 did come past me like I was parked once at some miles an hour when i was fully foot the floor, so there is always a bigger faster car out there. This one will have to be out of this world to best an RS4.0 in my humble opinion as I think most people in the know would say that is the best 911 ever to date.
 
The GT3 is deceptively quick in a straight line, people just don't imagine it to be that quick. It's not Nissan GTR quick, but my GT3 was able to see off all the main TVR's over 3/4 miles at FT2007 and also the 996 Turbo's and it matched the 997 GT3 that was there too. The advantage at that event was traction against the TVR's no question, but once it was up around 130mph the GT3 was able to hold distance, over 150mph it started to pull away again. I know all of the 70 odd TVR boys were very surprised how none of them, bar 1 special, could match the pace of my GT3.

Still, my mates SL65 did come past me like I was parked once at some miles an hour when i was fully foot the floor, so there is always a bigger faster car out there. This one will have to be out of this world to best an RS4.0 in my humble opinion as I think most people in the know would say that is the best 911 ever to date.

I still really upset my mate who's got a MK2 996 GT3, who was not best pleased when my C2S walked away from him, even upto crazy speeds. He even changed his gears or did something with the differential as thats what he does for a living and mine was still quicker. :D

Be interesting to see how they compare now the ceramics are off as I can feel that it is a little slower, hardly noticable but there on initial acceleration in 2nd gear for sure, through 3rd, 4th does not seem noticable though.
 
I still really upset my mate who's got a MK2 996 GT3, who was not best pleased when my C2S walked away from him, even upto crazy speeds. He even changed his gears or did something with the differential as thats what he does for a living and mine was still quicker. :D

Be interesting to see how they compare now the ceramics are off as I can feel that it is a little slower, hardly noticable but there on initial acceleration in 2nd gear for sure, through 3rd, 4th does not seem noticable though.

A friend and I (he used to own your CSL...) had a run once, me in my GT3 and him in his 997 C2S and there was nothing in it up to serious speeds. My dads C4S PDK is lightning quick.
 
A friend and I (he used to own your CSL...) had a run once, me in my GT3 and him in his 997 C2S and there was nothing in it up to serious speeds. My dads C4S PDK is lightning quick.

We put it down to mine being quite light, infact nearly 50kg lighter than his GT3 and the extra 15BHP or so I've got from X51 bits, along with the fact the C2S first three gears are shorter which helps acceleration. :)
 
Just got back from OPC Guildford for the Cayman launch.

The champagne was alright and the Porsche ladies are always nice looking but I couldn't help feel it's the Porsche I least want. It's more expensive than a Boxster without the ability to remove the roof. It's felt and looked the same as a Boxster apart from the upper rear 1/3rd.

The rest of the range are all different enough for you to want one for one reason or another, the Boxster as your cheap fun sports car, the 911 as your epic sports car / GT, the Cayenne as the 4x4 school run wagon and the Panamera as a saloon.
 
The Cayman is the best Porsche they make.....it's just not the one most people want, me included. Odd but I've driven loads now and never bought one. I go to the garage thinking I want to buy one, drive it and think its ace and then drive home. The GT3 took 10 yards and was bought. Something missing as they are incredible sports cars but its missing a totally subjective thing I can't nail.
 
this thread has just reminded me of something i meant to check out

was behind a chav in a a cayenne turbo at the air pump the other week , he put 62psi in his tyres before driving off

surely not correct ?
 
The Cayman is the best Porsche they make.....it's just not the one most people want, me included. Odd but I've driven loads now and never bought one. I go to the garage thinking I want to buy one, drive it and think its ace and then drive home. The GT3 took 10 yards and was bought. Something missing as they are incredible sports cars but its missing a totally subjective thing I can't nail.

I agree.

I drove one in anger for my Silverstone Porsche day and loved every second, but if I had £50k on a new Porsche it would be a Boxtser. If I had more it would be a 911. If I was going second hand I would be after a 911 or Boxster depending on budget.

I can't seem to find a situation where I would actively buy a Cayman over another model, despite how good it is.

One of the new Caymans at the launch had someone below the number plate, like a round black sphere - almost like it would house a camera or a third fog light or something - any ideas what it was? Right in the centre of the grill below the number plate.
 
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One of the new Caymans at the launch had someone below the number plate, like a round black sphere - almost like it would house a camera or a third fog light or something - any ideas what it was? Right in the centre of the grill below the number plate.

Radar cruise by the sounds of it?

I'm heading to Portsmouth tonight to have a look at the new one.
 
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