Posing at concerts

SidewinderINC · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:03

nero120 said:
That was my sis who wrote that! She said the album was crap and would have given it 2 but reviews are all about favours and support, hardly ever about real quality (live and album). Dont blame Kerrang for the scene, blame the weak minded moron kids produced every year that need a scene to cling on to.

no, if thats the case, then definately blame kerrang!

if the album was reviewed for what it was then maybe there wouldnt be so many scene kids thinking everything they listen to is awesome.

Carzy · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:04

Sic said:
coheed so are emo dude. i'll spend all day disagreeing with everything you say if i have to. they're definitely emo. you're just confused because they're good, too.

i like the sound of that storyboard thing...although the subject sounds a bit ghey (myspace spelling for the theme). what are we talking about now?

edit: Charlotte was telling me about a session Fallout Boy did on Radio 1, that they're constantly mocking at the moment because the guy can't sing.

could emo be prog with emotional poets who can't sing behind the mic? are we getting close to defining emo?

Stay away from Fall Out Boy, before I get my axe to chop you down (and the lead guy from FOB can sing). I need to post some pictures to counter-act your evil anti-FOB gamma rays:

I don't see the prog influences in TBS or MCR really though.

iCraig · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:08

Sic said:
edit: Charlotte was telling me about a session Fallout Boy did on Radio 1, that they're constantly mocking at the moment because the guy can't sing.

Indeed, Chris Moyles and his team were ripping the **** out of him.

I think the guy can sing, he just annoyingly doesn't form his words properly. It works sometimes, but others it seems quite retarded.

For example, his acoustic version of Sugar We're Goin Down turned bad the moment he pronounced the line:

"I'm just a notch on your bed post, but you're just a line in a song"

as

"I'm just snot on your bed post, but whore just a lah in a sew"

I guess it's the same as Grand Theft Autumn.

Carzy · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:09

nero120 said:
That was my sis who wrote that! She said the album was crap and would have given it 2 but reviews are all about favours and support, hardly ever about real quality (live and album). Dont blame Kerrang for the scene, blame the weak minded moron kids produced every year that need a scene to cling on to.

Reviews in Kerrang may be all about favours and support. But that is the nature of Kerrang and real reviews aren't.

They also gave the new Tool album five stars which I can't say I agree with. That's certainly pandering to the new Tool fans that have come about from 10,000 Days (which I'm not saying is a bad thing). It's interesting when people message me on MSN though, going "OMG THE NEW TOOL ALBUM IS *** BEST EVA", and ask me for other albums, and enjoy those albums too. But for Tool fans prior to 10,000 Days, I think it's because of the fact that Lateralus and Aenima have got such heavy listens, and we'd waited so long for the new album, that it was completely anti-climactic when it came about. Depends how you approach the album I guess, expectations and all that.

Scam · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:16

Sorry to go OT a bit, but does anyone know where i can get/listen to the FOB on Radio 1? Sounds interesting.

Any gig that i've been to i've noticed the scenesters standing around and posing. I just feel its part of it tbh. I'd like to think that there's gonna be a backlash against emo quite soon.. i went to the Warped Tour in NY in 2003 and it was one of the first Tours where the emo bands were filtering through into the main stages

(). Now all i hear is other bands like the Caddies complaining about those type of bands. I dunno. There were a hell of a lot of posers there too!

nero120 · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:17

Carzy said:
Reviews in Kerrang may be all about favours and support. But that is the nature of Kerrang and real reviews aren't.

I think thats more the nature of good business. Ever wonder why Raw is not around anymore? You may not agree in principle but giving AVA 4 stars means Kerrang continues to sell well because it has the content that kids 'think' they want. Besides that its all down to personal opinion. How can one rate an album - its ridiculous! If you like it you like it, and what makes journalists qualified to criticise the work of musicians? "Real reviews" as you say are just as bad as kerrang reviews, I guess you're reffering to reviews that you agree with?

Sic · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:20

nero120 said:
I think thats more the nature of good business. Ever wonder why Raw is not around anymore? You may not agree in principle but giving AVA 4 stars means Kerrang continues to sell well because it has the content that kids 'think' they want. Besides that its all down to personal opinion. How can one rate an album - its ridiculous! If you like it you like it, and what makes journalists qualified to criticise the work of musicians? "Real reviews" as you say are just as bad as kerrang reviews, I guess you're reffering to reviews that you agree with?

this is exactly why i don't read any music magazines. only thing they're good for is informing you of what's out, and who's touring. i dont take anything they say on a subjective level seriously.

sinister_stu · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:21

There was a time when you could read the reviews in Kerrang! and they were actually based on the opinion of the reviewer. That way you could work out which reviewers had a similar taste in music to you and then base some of your purchasing on those reviews. Not anymore though.

Carzy · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:23

nero120 said:
I think thats more the nature of good business. Ever wonder why Raw is not around anymore? You may not agree in principle but giving AVA 4 stars means Kerrang continues to sell well because it has the content that kids 'think' they want. Besides that its all down to personal opinion. How can one rate an album - its ridiculous! If you like it you like it, and what makes journalists qualified to criticise the work of musicians? "Real reviews" as you say are just as bad as kerrang reviews, I guess you're reffering to reviews that you agree with?

Nope, just reviews that aren't so hopelessly determined by the interactions between said review. the relevant record company, and money-spinning. (Although that's pretty hard to avoid in magazine form). The only magazine I occasionally pick up is Rock Sound because Mike Diver writes for them, and they actually attempt to explore the "underground" scene as it were, whereas Kerrang steer well clear of that

iCraig · 1 Jun 2006 at 12:25

Scam said:
Sorry to go OT a bit, but does anyone know where i can get/listen to the FOB on Radio 1? Sounds interesting.

probably on the listen again radio 1 player

The_Biggles · 1 Jun 2006 at 15:14

Going to see Mr. Scruff later which should be a good test to see if the emu's are crossing over to better music (no offence TBS, Thurs fans etc). Will do a floppy dyed blonde fringe count.

Regarding C&C, IMHO they weren't emu, but have been jumped on by that scene and can't escape it now. As good as they are i wouldnt see them for the very reasons stated in Post 1. You need atmosphere or you might as well just listen to the CD at home.

chino · 1 Jun 2006 at 15:28

The_Biggles said:
As good as they are i wouldnt see them for the very reasons stated in Post 1. You need atmosphere or you might as well just listen to the CD at home.

That's a not a good reason, you're just giving in.

nero120 · 1 Jun 2006 at 16:18

Carzy said:
Nope, just reviews that aren't so hopelessly determined by the interactions between said review. the relevant record company, and money-spinning. (Although that's pretty hard to avoid in magazine form). The only magazine I occasionally pick up is Rock Sound because Mike Diver writes for them, and they actually attempt to explore the "underground" scene as it were, whereas Kerrang steer well clear of that

Well Kerrang arent in the market to appeal to the fringe 'underground' scene, and I dont think you'll find many magazines on the newsagent shelf are. They review albums they think are relevant to their reader base. Not all reviews are so determined as you say, only the very high profile albums where favours have been earnt and need repaying, but this cannot be avoided. If you want said emo star to be interviewed for your magazine then it doesnt serve to rip their album to shreds! Besides, I never understood the point of reviews, its just someones opinion! What one person hates another loves, go listen to some clips if you wanna know whether to buy it or not. Reviews are actually pretty worthless in summing up an album anyway so whats the big deal? I read them for comedy value more than actual critical information.

Sic · 1 Jun 2006 at 16:20

do you remember when that Kerrang journalist interviewed Blink182 and totally ripped them a new one? think it was when they released take off your pants and jacket. that was funny.

nero120 · 1 Jun 2006 at 16:32

Sic said:
do you remember when that Kerrang journalist interviewed Blink182 and totally ripped them a new one? think it was when they released take off your pants and jacket. that was funny.

No I didnt see that, what did they give it?

Sic · 1 Jun 2006 at 16:34

it wasnt the album, it was a massive interview where this guy was just slating them. at the time, i couldn't believe it went to press. i might still have a copy of the magazine at home...i'll check if i remember later

Spuderoony · 1 Jun 2006 at 16:40

Posing's been around for as long as music has been regarded as something 'cool' to be into. Sure it comes around again on various swings and roundabouts in new guises as trends come and go, but that's the whole point: people discovering a new fad, creating a social identity, and eventually letting go when they become disillusioned because they notice that they've changed or everyone else has changed around them.

Dinomania · 1 Jun 2006 at 19:19

vaultingSlinky said:
Not to mention the scenesters in the pit who have no manners, and instead beat the crap/try and beat the crap out of people who are trying to have fun.

That drives me nuts too. The pits are rough but they're not supposed to be violent :mad:

SidewinderINC · 1 Jun 2006 at 19:29

vaultingSlinky said:
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oh how i totally agree and if i could be bothered to write even that to dignify scenesters with a response i would.

thing is, instead of retaliating by punching a scenester if they do something like that in a mosh, just push them like if you were moshing properly! they go into brown trouser mode and look like they're gonna cry! its so ******* funny!