Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

[drunkenmaster]

I think it's just another fantasist tbh but eh it could be true.

Regardless of if it was always intended to have 8GB early samples could have had 4GB to get in house testing done and working on drivers, etc. Then when shipping products come they have the 2GB stacks ready and can ship 8GB versions.

I'm intrigued by the potential sku's we'll see.

Usually gddr5/most memory adding to the card is trivial, a core and memory can be removed and remade. Interposers completely change that.

Where as before you'd get lets say a 390x and cards that didn't have all shaders/rops/whatever else would use be turned into a 390 salvaged part. Then you add gddr5 with effectively no difficulty. Now you have a 390x and add lets say 4 interposers and the gpu to one large interposer. Any of the 5 chips can fail, some will have 0-4 working memory chips but a dead gpu... that gets thrown out.

But there will be working gpu and 0-4 working memory stacks. I don't know what the yields are though I have seen what can only be called rumours that yields for 5-6 chips on an interposer being surprisingly great.

But we could have a situation where we get 8GB, 6GB and 4GB 390x and the same with 390's.

Or maybe we'll see 8/6GB 390x and 6/4GB 390.

 

[mahius]

If the 980 does drop to £299 then what will the 970 be..£199?

I think the 380/X's are being lined up as 970/980 competitors, hence the rumour about the 980 Metal to give it a boost (and maybe the 980 will drop into the 970 price-point)

When it comes to good news, I put on my cynical hat and expect the worst, that way I can either not be disappointed or be pleasantly surprised. Considering current 980 cards cost £450 at the cheapest and £650 at the most expensive (normal 980), there could be some self competition with the launch of 980 ti. Especially if they launch a boosted 980 Metal (cos metal is the best music lol), which would have to fit between the current 980 and 980ti. We'll know in a few weeks when the 980 ti actually launches and we know what it costs.

Even if the 380 is a rehashed 290x, it would be appropriate as a semi competitor to the 970. IMO the 970 seems to usually be a bit more powerful. The 380x would then be the interesting card. Depending on the price point and nVidia price drops.

If rumours about 980ti pricing are true and it's £600, the 980 pricing wouldn't move too much, but with the 980 Metal it would need to be shoved down a bit. Here's my speculation on the pricing:
980 - £400
980 Metal - £500
980 ti -£600

Someone also gave the speculative price of £600 (I can't be bothered to check and quote the post) for the 390x. More baseless assumptions... the 390 would then compete with the 980 Metal at a similar price point, the 380x would compete with the 980 and that would put 380 vs 970 at ~£300. Damn, I may be onto something here... especially if JediFragger is right.

As for...

No need to eat your socks, pretty sure that's what happened with the 780.

Just checked prices... and holy hell you're right. But that card is 2 years old. If the 980 drops to £300, it won't be for a long time. I doubt it'll happen in June when AMD finally releases these new cards. But if it does... the 970 would drop in price too... but considering I'm already looking at the GTX 970s price range I may have to choose a 980 or a 380/380x. It would show that AMD is finally back in the high-end game and pressuring nVidia. That would be awesome and a best case scenario... therefore unlikely.

So much speculation, so apologies for not posting anything concrete. But speculation is fun, hence why this thread is 80+ pages long. One last thing, if the 390x somehow beats the Titan X... AMD need to rename their card to Zeus or Olympian (check Greek Mythology for the reference).

 

[Boomstick777]

^^

Nvidia are already preparing their defense, now adding Batman Arkham Knight alongside the Witcher 3 to GTX 980 / GTX 970 cards. That's before the 3XX series launch, when 3XX launches Nvidia can just drop prices a bit.

AMD have a lot of work to do for sure.

 

[Diddums]

According to my sources, the 390x is getting bundled with some or other exclusive title, something along the lines of "half life 3"

 

[SiDeards73]

Lol and then you woke up?

 

[Boomstick777]

According to my sources, the 390x is getting bundled with some or other exclusive title, something along the lines of "half life 3"

Yeah my sources say the same thing, new never settle bundle with The Last Guardian, Shenmue 3, Half life 3 and Goldeneye 2. All with a choice of Direct 11, 12 or Mantle.

 

[Diddums]

^

 

[Orangey]

Was it the X1000 series bundled with HL2?

Seems like yesterday...

 

[IceShock]

Was it the X1000 series bundled with HL2?

Seems like yesterday...

Can't remember exactly but my 2900xt came with the blackbox which had hl2 episode 1 , team fortress 2 and portal


Christ as if them games are that old already that's scary.

 

[elmuzzy66.]

Well they can't mess up this launch as bad as the freesync one or can they?

 

[Marine-RX179]

Well they can't mess up this launch as bad as the freesync one or can they?

Complete different context...if you were to talk about graphic card launch, then you should really use a relevant example, such as launch of GTX470/GTX480 vs HD5850/HD5870, as the situation are the similar, but with Nvidia and AMD swapped position this time round.

At least this time AMD didn't go with the Nvidia's Fermi or their own Bulldozer launch approach of telling everyone it's almost here everyday and didn't arrive till 6-9 months later.

 

[DavidS14]

I'd much rather they gave spec's and approx. price than nothing at all.

You would think that if the spec was really good and the price competitive they'd want to get the info out to stop sales haemorrhaging to Nvidia even if you had to say "second half of the year" for a release.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I'd much rather they gave spec's and approx. price than nothing at all.

You would think that if the spec was really good and the price competitive they'd want to get the info out to stop sales haemorrhaging to Nvidia even if you had to say "second half of the year" for a release.

Depends on if you are talking about the 380x or the 390x.

For the 390x, it make no sense for AMD to announce spec and price much earlier than the date close to hitting the shelf, if you put Nvidia's reaction/response time to AMD's release into the equation as well. What's the point of releasing 390x and then only to be beaten by the 980ti two weeks later because of Nvidia having lots of time ahead to anticipate 390x's performance and make enough hardware improvement ready to counter? Beating Nvidia for 2 week to a month ain't gonna keep them going for the long term.

The only way I see AMD can get themselve out of the blackhole and wrestle back the market from Nvidia is to pull a "The Rabbit (Nvidia) and the Turtle (AMD)", releasing a 390x that catches Nvida off-guard with even overclocked Titan X and higher clocked stock clock 980Ti cannot match, so that Nvidia cannot pull their usual apporach of "release a card after AMD launch thats "faster" using a more aggressive stock clock" to show AMD being slower in majority of the reviewers' benchmarks (remember the 7970 vs 680+boost clock?), but actually have to make improvement on their counter cards at hardware level rather than just using higher stock clock.

I honestly hope that the implementation of the use of HBM memory would allows AMD to pull a clear enough lead over Nvidia's big Maxwell...cause if they don't, I don't know what business strategic they can pull and stop their already sinking ship from sinking all the way to the bottom of the ocean.

 

[Ayahuasca]

The 390x isn't really the card that will win them that much marketshare back, although it would be nice to see it beat an overclocked TX. Steam hardware survey which is a good enough representation in my opinion shows very few users have the top end cards.

It's the mid and low end where the discrete market is won or lost.

 

[Marine-RX179]

The 390x isn't really the card that will win them that much marketshare back, although it would be nice to see it beat an overclocked TX. Steam hardware survey which is a good enough representation in my opinion shows very few users have the top end cards.

It's the mid and low end where the discrete market is won or lost.

Agreed.

But Nvidia's offer of 960 at sub £200 is a bit of a disappointment, and next jump is all the way to £280 for the 970. So if they can target the price bracket of £150~£240, that offer 290/290x performance with improved efficiency and lowering power-consumption and heat, they could probably get the footing back in.

IMO if they can refine the Hawaii efficiency by for for example somehow removing the compute capability for more room to improve performance and efficiency (which is exact what Nvidia did for their Titan X), then it would give them a better fighting chance.

 

[Boomstick777]

..............
I honestly hope that the implementation of the use of HBM memory would allows AMD to pull a clear enough lead over Nvidia's big Maxwell...cause if they don't, I don't know what business strategic they can pull and stop their already sinking ship from sinking all the way to the bottom of the ocean.

+1

The 390x isn't really the card that will win them that much marketshare back, although it would be nice to see it beat an overclocked TX. Steam hardware survey which is a good enough representation in my opinion shows very few users have the top end cards.

It's the mid and low end where the discrete market is won or lost.

A solid flagship product has a trickle down effect over all lower products as well. So it's important for AMD to be able to compete at the high end even if most users don't buy those cards. A decent flagship will cast the rest of products in a good light.

AMD need a competitive stack from top to bottom to stand any chance of re-couping the market share they have lost.

This is new territory for AMD/ATI, historically they have never been this low in market share VS Nvidia. They really need to bring performance in spades.

 

[TheRealDeal]

+1



A solid flagship product has a trickle down effect over all lower products as well. So it's important for AMD to be able to compete at the high end even if most users don't buy those cards. A decent flagship will cast the rest of products in a good light.

AMD need a competitive stack from top to bottom to stand any chance of re-couping the market share they have lost.

This is new territory for AMD/ATI, historically they have never been this low in market share VS Nvidia. They really need to bring performance in spades.

+1 a good flagship gains reputation which in turn helps the whole lineup from top to bottom. 9700/9800 had Amd as the market leader because they were that good. It would be good to see this kind of break through from AMD again. Nvidia would up there game as well so we would all benefit.

 

[Freddie1980]

It's a real shame AMD changed track when they bought out ATI, they treated graphics cards as they do CPU's and targeted value for money conscious gamers and virtually surrendered the top end of the market were the juicy margins are. Over the years the effect of this been detrimental to the Radeon brand (along side half baked product announcements, TressFX, Rapt, AMD 3D etc which have done the harm as well).

Once lost it's hard to get back, I'm not really sure else AMD can do here.

 

[Zeed]

Each time AMD is hiding performance slides when product comes out it disappoints :/

 

[Tonester0011]

960 & 970

You can buy a 960 and still have change out of £150, most of those cards fall in and around £160-170 mark, so no idea why you think that's a disappointment.
As for the 970, if you really wanted to jump up a tier and were pushing you budget, they can be had for £250

Both fairly well priced, and the 960 very well priced (imo)