Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

Orangey · 12 May 2015 at 12:11

NV were butthurt about consoles so put out gameworks (ironic name really) to counteract any potential benefit AMD might get from developers working with GCN on all platforms.

Bonjour · 12 May 2015 at 12:17

Fair play.. I guess.

humbug · 12 May 2015 at 13:13

Orangey said:
NV were butthurt about consoles so put out gameworks (ironic name really) to counteract any potential benefit AMD might get from developers working with GCN on all platforms.

Most of it seems to be Draw Call related.

DX12 will fix that for AMD, in the meantime Nvidia backed games are best avoided.

Boomstick777 · 12 May 2015 at 13:24

Orangey said:
NV were butthurt about consoles so put out gameworks (ironic name really) to counteract any potential benefit AMD might get from developers working with GCN on all platforms.

Nvidia's gimping with gaming is doing wonders for Nvidia cards, successfully gimping a 290X to the point that it performs around GTX 770 on Project Cars. Worrying that even if the 390X is say 20% faster in performance than Titan X, gimping with gameworks could potentially make it perform worse in gameworks titles..

This is a brutal industry

whyscotty · 12 May 2015 at 14:03

Conspiracy theories are strong lately

Ayahuasca · 12 May 2015 at 14:07

pcars isn't gimped with gameworks?

It worked fine on AMD in earlier builds.

If AMD want to use the gameworks excuse then so be it but it will only drive more customers to nVidia as they'll then believe they're getting more for their money.

RanxZy · 12 May 2015 at 14:09

Just takes adding two and two together to see AMD performance suffers in Gameworks titles.

KillBoY_UK · 12 May 2015 at 14:18

Ayahuasca said:
pcars isn't gimped with gameworks?

It worked fine on AMD in earlier builds.

If AMD want to use the gameworks excuse then so be it but it will only drive more customers to nVidia as they'll then believe they're getting more for their money.

Indeed i think people been playing to much Deus Ex presently,

to qoute the developer them selfs

“We’ve provided AMD with 20 keys for game testing as they work on the driver side. But you only have to look at the lesser hardware in the consoles to see how optimised we are on AMD based chips.

We’re reaching out to AMD with all of our efforts. We’ve provided them 20 keys as I say. They were invited to work with us for years, looking through company mails the last I can see they (AMD) talked to us was October of last year.

Categorically, Nvidia have not paid us a penny. They have though been very forthcoming with support and co-marketing work at their instigation. We’ve had emails back and forth with them yesterday also. I reiterate that this is mainly a driver issue but we’ll obviously do anything we can from our side.”

Going by the dev's own comment it seems there's been a lack of communication from AMD despite giving them access to code via the keys while nvidia have done the opposite.

So would you believe the conspiracy theory's or what the developer are saying them selfs?

ALXAndy · 12 May 2015 at 14:26

Boomstick777 said:
Nvidia's gimping with gaming is doing wonders for Nvidia cards, successfully gimping a 290X to the point that it performs around GTX 770 on Project Cars. Worrying that even if the 390X is say 20% faster in performance than Titan X, gimping with gameworks could potentially make it perform worse in gameworks titles..

This is a brutal industry

From what I read it had nothing to do with Nvidia. AMD simply didn't bother to work with the devs. A few days ago the devs sent AMD 20 free game codes basically offering them out. This isn't an issue just limited to Pcars dude. Recently AMD have dropped the ball on all fronts. Their drivers have been poo, Crossfire support practically zero, incomplete offering of Freesync - repeat ad nauseum.

You can't blame Nvidia for AMD being Wayne Kerrs. That blame lies with them.

Mtom · 12 May 2015 at 14:40

ALXAndy said:
From what I read it had nothing to do with Nvidia. AMD simply didn't bother to work with the devs. A few days ago the devs sent AMD 20 free game codes basically offering them out. This isn't an issue just limited to Pcars dude. Recently AMD have dropped the ball on all fronts. Their drivers have been poo, Crossfire support practically zero, incomplete offering of Freesync - repeat ad nauseum.

You can't blame Nvidia for AMD being Wayne Kerrs. That blame lies with them.

Thing is not gaming with fresh optimized drivers should give you a few % deficit, but not 50% as you see at Project Cars where a 290X is sacked by a 660Ti.
I usually don't change drivers too often, but even with a half a year old driver i never experienced this type of performance loss when started playing new games.

Boomstick777 · 12 May 2015 at 14:45

ALXAndy said:
From what I read it had nothing to do with Nvidia. AMD simply didn't bother to work with the devs. A few days ago the devs sent AMD 20 free game codes basically offering them out. This isn't an issue just limited to Pcars dude. Recently AMD have dropped the ball on all fronts. Their drivers have been poo, Crossfire support practically zero, incomplete offering of Freesync - repeat ad nauseum.

You can't blame Nvidia for AMD being Wayne Kerrs. That blame lies with them.

Ah well if that's the case then they should have put some work in earlier.

Just to be clear as much as I dislike Nvidia's business practice I don't AMD's failure to deliver on past products and recently drivers, basically a lot of the time underwhelming.

At best I am ambivalent about both company's and wish there was a third choice.

So I just go with who has the best hardware, right now that's Nvidia, if it's AMD soon I really hope they sort out their software / driver side to go with it.

David Bisset · 12 May 2015 at 14:57

Ayahuasca said:
pcars isn't gimped with gameworks?

It worked fine on AMD in earlier builds.

If AMD want to use the gameworks excuse then so be it but it will only drive more customers to nVidia as they'll then believe they're getting more for their money.

Earlier build of the game? So the devs have changed something to significantly lose performance on one brands cards - sounds like a dev issue to me rather than a lack of driver optimisation. Or do you mean something else?

KillBoY_UK said:
Going by the dev's own comment it seems there's been a lack of communication from AMD despite giving them access to code via the keys while nvidia have done the opposite.

So would you believe the conspiracy theory's or what the developer are saying them selfs?

The dev didn't say they gave them access to the code base, they gave them game codes to be able to play it. Would be better if they were communicating better, but it's pretty hard seeing only one sides comment to know how that interaction went and how open project cars have been.

LoadsaMoney · 12 May 2015 at 15:01

Yeah AMDs drivers have been utter garbage for months and months, they really need to put a better team together to write some decent drivers, as they can't do em for toffee at the mo, i mean Gameworks titles, Dying Light, GTA V, Watch Dogs, run superb on my 290X (well can't verify Watch Dogs as don't have it, but reviews show the 290s beating the 780 Ti in that!), Im getting 70+ in Dying light maxed out, 60+ in GTA V everything max (apart from the Grass on High), both run bloody superb, jesus what is up with AMDs ****** bloody drivers, theres no way those games should be running this good on my card, come on AMD sort it out, my performance should be bloody crippled, its an absolute disgrace!!! :mad:

drunkenmaster · 12 May 2015 at 15:24

The people who talk about AMD drivers not working, constantly, is Nvidia users. I've not had any trouble lately except for Lotro, which is damn old and has worked like a dog for years for Nvidia and AMD users, the newer zones are just a horrific mess of crap from the devs, nothing more or less.

I don't have problems with xfire, I don't have really any issues at all... but they are terrible because the same 5-10 Nvidia guys tell everyone they are shocking in every thread.

Boo hoo, Nvidia went for 3-4 WHQL drivers a year for a decade, no problem, AMD went monthly. AMD switched to quarterly and Nvidia guys are screaming everywhere about AMD being months behind on drivers.... with the same release schedule as Nvidia, sure.

It was a big driver switch, there are going to be times where things work, things don't. Both companies have times where fixes for new games take way too long, the difference is AMD guys don't jump into every thread on every forum screaming about every problem Nvidia have. Nvidia guys however absolutely do that, largely for made up problems they have no idea about.

Nvidia fanboy
/reads one guy has a problem with Far Cry on xfire, runs around the internet telling everyone AMD don't have drivers for Far Cry......

all the while millions of other AMD users have no problems with the game.

Marine-RX179 · 12 May 2015 at 15:25

LoadsaMoney said:
Yeah AMDs drivers have been utter garbage for months and months, they really need to put a better team together to write some decent drivers, as they can't do em for toffee at the mo, i mean Gameworks titles, Dying Light, GTA V, Watch Dogs, run superb on my 290X (well can't verify Watch Dogs as don't have it, but reviews show the 290s beating the 780 Ti in that!), Im getting 70+ in Dying light maxed out, 60+ in GTA V everything max (apart from the Grass on High), both run bloody superb, jesus what is up with AMDs cacky bloody drivers, theres now way those games should be running this good on my card, come on AMD sort it out, my performance should be bloody crippled, its an absolute disgrace!!!

Performance of single GPU and crossfire performance scaling are two different matters...

Ayahuasca · 12 May 2015 at 15:28

David Bisset said:
Earlier build of the game? So the devs have changed something to significantly lose performance on one brands cards - sounds like a dev issue to me rather than a lack of driver optimisation. Or do you mean something else?

Well AMD have acknowledged the problem and said they will release a driver for it so surely a bit of early testing instead of ignoring communications with the devs would have went a long way?

Ayahuasca · 12 May 2015 at 15:29

drunkenmaster said:
The people who talk about AMD drivers not working, constantly, is Nvidia users.

No it isn't considering the majority of complaints in the AMD driver thread is from yes you guessed it, AMD users... and yes a lot of them are complaining about stuff that isn't even driver related. Another case of you thinking AMD users = angels, nVidia users = devils children.

humbug · 12 May 2015 at 15:34

Some information about PCars and drivers in the PCars thread

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28029544&postcount=203

JediFragger · 12 May 2015 at 15:45

drunkenmaster said:
The people who talk about AMD drivers not working, constantly, is Nvidia users.

I've been ATi since the Rage days (bar a Matrox and the odd nVidia card such as 8800GTX & a 780 I had for a few months) and I've had driver problems (mainly related to XFire issues).

So don't presume too much eh DM

edit - Sold my 295x2 and replaced them with the 980's about 6 weeks back, not had a driver/SLi issue since (unless the engine itself wasn't mGPU friendly). Strange that...

ALXAndy · 12 May 2015 at 16:37

drunkenmaster said:
The people who talk about AMD drivers not working, constantly, is Nvidia users.

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we're Nvidia users?

It's because a lot of us have tried ATI and AMD cards and had nightmares.

I actually hate being an Nvidia user but their cards work for me, where as the AMD cards I had were utter crap as were the drivers.