Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

Boomstick777 · 7 Dec 2014 at 23:02

bru said:
I'm not

Upcoming card: probably late Jan/Feb, but maybe announced last minute before Xmas

28nm.
GDDR 5 memory
Air Cooling.
3328+ Shaders.

Autumn/winter 2015/16 Cards:

not 28nm
HBM.
Air cooling. (Except Dual card)
4000+ Shaders.

Haha good for you, noticed you played it safe with 'Not 28nm'

Well played.

Boomstick777 · 10 Dec 2014 at 02:07

AMD: first products made using 14nm/16nm FinFET are on track

Interesting bit here >

AMD also said that the first system-on-chips that belong to the Skybridge product family of ARM and x86 chips will also be made using 20nm fabrication process. Finally, there is 20nm Xbox One SoC in plans as well as 20nm graphics processing units.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...ucts-made-using-14nm16nm-finfet-are-on-track/

IceShock · 10 Dec 2014 at 02:39

bit disappointing really short term wise as I want something new now!! But like iv said before untill one gpu is etleast the same speed as a 295x2 I won't be upgrading. It's not worth it for me yet. I hope amd are ahead of schedule and get 16-14nm out mid next year or something crazy like they have pulled off a few times before!

bru · 10 Dec 2014 at 03:17

Nice find boom, I can only assume that when they say "will be made using 20nm" that pretty much counts out any surprise 20nm products early on.

Orangey · 10 Dec 2014 at 05:52

Anton Shilov is almost as bad as WCCF. When I saw that 20nm bit tacked on I knew Boom would post it as "proof" there's still hope.

It's just bad journalism, not checking facts, outdated info, that's all.

bru · 10 Dec 2014 at 15:47

Interesting thing that Gibbo just said in the MSI Lightning pre order thread and I'm not suggesting that Gibbo is in the know or any such thing.

Gibbo said:
Best 290X on the market, the only card which rivals the Lightning is the Vapor-X and you could argue the PCS+ is a good card, but at this price this card is hands down winner!

Bear in mind, this is a spot buy, MSI just sold me their inventory to get clear, we've pre-sold 20 already so we might be taking them off-sale soon as we only got 164pc coming in.

MSi clearing stock, could be for new stuff incoming soonish....?

I'm probably just reading too much into an innocent comment, but hey on this forum anything can be news right.

Orangey · 10 Dec 2014 at 19:13

It's the LE's too, clearing them out speaks louder as you would expect them to hang around long after the originals.

tayto_0 · 10 Dec 2014 at 19:32

Here's hoping

humbug · 10 Dec 2014 at 23:18

bru said:
Interesting thing that Gibbo just said in the MSI Lightning pre order thread and I'm not suggesting that Gibbo is in the know or any such thing.

MSi clearing stock, could be for new stuff incoming soonish....?

I'm probably just reading too much into an innocent comment, but hey on this forum anything can be news right.

If other start having a stock clear-out then something might be going on.

bru · 11 Dec 2014 at 02:42

humbug said:
If other start having a stock clear-out then something might be going on.

Yup, It could mean some really good deals on the 290's/x.

Orangey · 12 Dec 2014 at 02:29

http://www.kitguru.net/components/a...tion-of-chips-using-14nm-finfet-process-tech/

Samsung are a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully some of their get-it-done attitude will rub off on GF.

humbug · 12 Dec 2014 at 02:33

Orangey said:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/a...tion-of-chips-using-14nm-finfet-process-tech/

Samsung are a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully some of their get-it-done attitude will rub off on GF.

+1. GF could do with some of that.

Orangey · 12 Dec 2014 at 18:31

http://www.kitguru.net/channel/gene...begun-producing-apples-next-iphone-processor/

I don't know if this is purely assumption but it stands to reason that Apple would jump on any new node. This probably means that 16nm is safe from them.

Orangey · 13 Dec 2014 at 21:37

http://fudzilla.net/home/item/36537-did-tsmc-go-ahead-with-20nm-for-qualcomms-sake?

drunkenmaster · 14 Dec 2014 at 01:22

Orangey said:
http://www.kitguru.net/channel/gene...begun-producing-apples-next-iphone-processor/

I don't know if this is purely assumption but it stands to reason that Apple would jump on any new node. This probably means that 16nm is safe from them.

it doesn't, most people think A9 will be Samsung/GloFo and A9X or an A10 will probably be TSMC again. Apple just plan to go around stealing everyones fresh nodes and ruin them for gamers everywhere.

This could lead to a huge advantage for AMD making gpu's at Glofo, they might be the only less capacity constrained company to make stuff on new nodes. Or at least with Samsung and GloFo ramping up through 14nm there is more likely to be some extra capacity at those two fabs than at TSMC.

Orangey said:
http://fudzilla.net/home/item/36537-did-tsmc-go-ahead-with-20nm-for-qualcomms-sake?

yes, Fudzilla is literally retarded, basically all 20nm equipment is being used for 16nm, as I hear it they needed to buy about 10% more equipment on top of the 20nm node requirements to get finfet working for I presume 1-2 extra stages. 16nm is built right on top of 20nm, there was absolutely no getting around making that 20nm node. The only difference is GloFo/Samsung don't look like they'll do a full production run at 20nm while TSMC have done, meaning TSMC were at 20nm 6 months before Samsung started volume production of 14nm, but that also put them 6 months behind with their 16nm.

TSMC didn't make 20nm for anyone, it's an integral step, the entire cost of the equipment would be made back if they actually did any products at 20nm or all of them at 16nm. Their story only works if it costs X billions to kit out for 20nm and 16nm is done on entirely different equipment.

TSMC have some advantages in that before going finfet they got some experience with planar + double patterning. As it's a little easier than finfet you can effectively ramp up under an easier process with less variables. As in if there is something wrong at 20nm it's more familiar being planar, if they had the same problem with chips at 16nm with finfets it might be less clear how to fix/work around the problem.

It's like Intel with tick/tock, new node with similar chips to before, then new type of chip on a node you now have a little experience with.

FoxEye · 14 Dec 2014 at 19:38

So... if I'm reading this thread right, the card coming (rumoured) in Feb is a Hawaii update - 28nm, no HBM, more cores, and a few improvements from the 285? And will this be the 380x or the 290.5 or something?

Then in June/July/2H 2015 the proper new gen from AMD arrives? With all the HBM goodness but probably still 28nm?

Kaapstad · 14 Dec 2014 at 19:43

FoxEye said:
So... if I'm reading this thread right

The best way to read this thread is with a pinch of salt.

It is just speculation piled on speculation piled on yet more speculation.

About the only thing we do know for fact is that AMD are due for a high end GPU release as it is over a year since the 290X.

Orangey · 14 Dec 2014 at 21:15

I'm not sure where the Hawaii thing came from actually, seen people saying Tonga as well.

nashathedog · 14 Dec 2014 at 22:56

shankly1985 said:
My wallet is ready two 390s 1440p 144hz display all before May?

That sounds like the sweet spot performance wise, I got COD AW this weekend and at 1080p it destroys my 290x forcing me to turn more than a few settings down, I'm looking at a free-sync 21:9 monitor (2560 x 1080) in the new year and that'll probably need a pair of 390x's to run comfortably. I would go with the next Nvidia release (fat maxwell) but to do a pair of those with g-sync I imagine the cost will be considerably more than this option.

TwsT · 15 Dec 2014 at 10:23

shankly1985 said:
Maybe this new memory technology is the real deal?

if the 285 is anything to judge by then yes the memory tech should have a positive impact.

Game changing? probably not. a fantastic foot in the right direction? Definitely.