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Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

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Mayh3M said:
Nvidia have released far more cards in the meantime. HBM is by all accounts supposed to be a game-changer - so if AMD only managed to only match Titan X GDDR5 performance that would be disappointing.
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Yea they have but this is the top dogs we are discussing and all have been released close to each other.
 
Mayh3M said:
Nvidia have released far more cards in the meantime. HBM is by all accounts supposed to be a game-changer - so if AMD only managed to only match Titan X GDDR5 performance that would be disappointing.
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So if it matches the Titan X yet costs a fraction of the price that's a fail yes?

From everything I have been seeing (separating the BS from what I see as reasonable) then it's going to be faster.

Maybe not a ton faster but faster. And it's very early days for HBM so they could well improve upon it when they find they have some spare time because right now it's panic stations.

Also this - let's see Nvidia cram a Titan X onto a mini card. That alone will see these buggers sell in their droves because up until now all Nvidia have offered on a small scale is their mid range silicon.
 
ALXAndy said:
So if it matches the Titan X yet costs a fraction of the price that's a fail yes?

From everything I have been seeing (separating the BS from what I see as reasonable) then it's going to be faster.

Maybe not a ton faster but faster. And it's very early days for HBM so they could well improve upon it when they find they have some spare time because right now it's panic stations.

Also this - let's see Nvidia cram a Titan X onto a mini card. That alone will see these buggers sell in their droves because up until now all Nvidia have offered on a small scale is their mid range silicon.
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Calm down, or else you'll keep making false assumptions. My point was that HBM alone should make AMD's top end better than Nvidia's GDDR5 alternative. That's not unreasonable if AMD are indeed on par with Nvidia technologically.

If AMD can match 980 Ti performance for a lower cost, that would be great. But in terms of technological advancement? Not so much.
 
Kaapstad said:
Very unlikely

Best test to see if any benchmarks are genuine is to compare them to the 295X2

Forget about memory speeds and just base it on the shaders and work out the % difference.

295X2 = 5632

Fiji = 4096 rumoured

which means the 295X2 should score about 37.5% more than Fiji

This all goes out the window if the Fiji architecture is very different to Hawaii

Using the table that has been posted on batman for example

Fury scored 65
295X2 should have scored 89.375

A couple of my old 290Xs scored 74 on the Batman AO bench maxed out including all the AA lol.
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apparently from R9 285+, AMD boosted their cards for tessellation, the 285 bench quit well on games using tess or gameworks compared to 280 or 290.
besides the fury doubled ROPs compared to the 290x, if we are to believe the rumors, that should help for high rez perf on games.
guess we are just gonna have to wait the 16th.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Yea they have but this is the top dogs we are discussing and all have been released close to each other.
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Remember only Nvidia is allowed to have the faster card. Remember all the people heralding the GTX780TI when it beat the R9 290X,by a few percent,but if AMD does the same it is disappointing.

Mayh3M said:
Calm down, or else you'll keep making false assumptions. My point was that HBM alone should make AMD's top end better than Nvidia's GDDR5 alternative. That's not unreasonable if AMD are indeed on par with Nvidia technologically.

If AMD can match 980 Ti performance for a lower cost, that would be great. But in terms of technological advancement? Not so much.
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In terms of technological advancement it is big. The HD4000 series were not faster than the GTX285 yet brought GDDR5 to the table and it was a massive leap forward in memory technology for graphics cards which helped sustain faster cards. HBM will too and you don't seem to get AMD has been working with Hynix since at least 2011.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
In terms of technological advancement it is big. The HD4000 series were not faster than the GTX285 yet brought GDDR5 to the table and it was a mssive leap forward in memory technology for graphics cards which helped sustain faster cards. HBM will too and you don't seem to get AMD has been working with Hynix since at least 2011.
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No I fully get that AMD have been working on this for a very long time - which is why its not unreasonable to expect significant performance gains compared to existing or 'old' technology.

And that's the thing here. HBM is not an end in itself, its a means by which to increase GPU performance. Hence if AMD's top end Fiji with HBM can only match Titan X, that would surely be somewhat disappointing.
 
like i said 10 pages back i think the tubes coming out the end defeats the point of it being a short card
it is really short tho so it should fit in most ITX, and i guess it will look more tidy

its not a terrible design, unless of course it doesnt fit in my fav itx case by 1inch then its terrible lol
 
yeh i think they just trying to be clever and make it look more tidy for ppl with 'normal' layout and front intake fans, i can see that looking very neat
few itx case are setup that way tho. often they got either no intake and 1 fan at the rear or 1 at the top, atleast the ones that look good to me :)

ironically the cheapo plastic anti kink tubes would be better, trying to squeeze all that fat tubing into an itx wont look pretty
whoever designed it thought more about how it looks in an atx with a side window, i think thats a mistake when it could be the card of choice for some1 who wants a super powerful itx build, there's nothing on nvidia side that could come close for a long time
 
Gregster said:
So, reading around - Other than the 2 Fiji cards, the rest are rebrands?
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Yes.

humbug said:
I think its more a compliment to your building skills, management and all the very high end components you run, you consistently top the leader boards.
To be fair i think you know your rig performs than bit better that your average TX/295X2 rig.

You have put some doubts in my mind but i'm not convinced enough to dismiss it.

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just my point, Kaap can really push something incredible out his rigs when he really wants to, he's a pro...
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LOL. Are there no lengths...
 
3 fiji and a 4th dual card after i think
and its debatable if the others are total rebrands or not
8gb 290pro is new
 
Mayh3M said:
No I fully get that AMD have been working on this for a very long time - which is why its not unreasonable to expect significant performance gains compared to existing or 'old' technology.

And that's the thing here. HBM is not an end in itself, its a means by which to increase GPU performance. Hence if AMD's top end Fiji with HBM can only match Titan X, that would surely be somewhat disappointing.
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Whilst being half the size?

Technologically speaking, that's actually rather good.
 
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