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True but it will still stretch far quicker then a well oiled one. I'm sure if you're riding across deserts its near impossible to keep oiled and probably better for if its bone dry so sand graines don't stick to it.
IMHO Chain stretch is the wearing of the links and bushings inside the sealed linkages. With sealed (o,x,z ring) chains these parts are sealed and contain grease - the only thing affecting them is if the seal is damaged, the force applied, the time the force is applied for and the route the chain takes.
The proof is in the pudding though and I spoke with oen Australian tour company who run 10 enduro bikes and the did an experimant after replacing all chains and sprockets they lubricated 1/2 of them every day - the results.... none i.e. no difference in chain and sprocket wear.
That said many people will swear by scott oilers however I've not really seen any scientific data for then other than people opinions (lasts much longer) which is not very scientific.
The pics were from a recent trip to Morocco.
The proof is in the pudding though and I spoke with oen Australian tour company who run 10 enduro bikes and the did an experimant after replacing all chains and sprockets they lubricated 1/2 of them every day - the results.... none i.e. no difference in chain and sprocket wear.
That said many people will swear by scott oilers however I've not really seen any scientific data for then other than people opinions (lasts much longer) which is not very scientific.
The pics were from a recent trip to Morocco.
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Scientific part is down to how often or how much you have to adjust the chain. So if you use a scottoiler and adjust less then some one with the same chain and bike without scottoiler then its easy to work out.
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I had a Tsubaki X Ring chain and both sprockets fitted 4 years ago at MoT time when I was changing my RSV's gearing. I also have a Scottoiler fitted.
I'm still on the same chain and sprockets yet.
I'm still on the same chain and sprockets yet.
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The wife is still on the original chain and sprockets. 7 years and counting, Scottoilled since she bought it, never had to just the chain tension, ridden all year around too. Not a huge amount of miles though, only 13,000 on the clock with 10,500 from her since 2007.
My chain was on my bike since I bought it, no idea of previous history but I've had the bike for 3 years and have done just over 10,000miles too. Never stretched and Scottoilled since I've had it.
I honestly dont think I would ever have a bike without a Scottoiller. They do pay for themselves.
My chain was on my bike since I bought it, no idea of previous history but I've had the bike for 3 years and have done just over 10,000miles too. Never stretched and Scottoilled since I've had it.
I honestly dont think I would ever have a bike without a Scottoiller. They do pay for themselves.
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Agreed- it may not be scientific, but it's clear-cut for me. Every chain driven distance/mileage bike I have has a scottoiler. On my old Bandit 1200, it used to eat chains in about 4000-6000 miles despite sensible lubing with spray lube/wax, and the chain needed adjusting every week or so. Usually the chain died because of tight spots.
After fitting a Scottoiler the adjustment interval was twice every 4000 miles, and chains typically lasted 15,000 miles (on my 1000 Exup I managed 20,000) and even then it hadn't stretched appreciably, and had no tight spots- the sprocket teeth had just worn to hooks, forcing replacement of both. It really did pay for itself with the first chain.
And the main benefit was not needing to scrape black tarry gunge from spray-lubes from the back half of the bike. At worst I had to wipe off a small amount of flung oil.
Little and often is the best way to lubricate. Spray lubes have to have a certain amount of gelling agent in order to stick to the chain. This attracts grit and gunge, makes a nasty grinding paste and is generally a pain to clean off.
Having said that, if you let the scottoiler reservoir run dry, or accidentally knock the feed tube off the chain, the chain dies very quickly indeed.
Shaft drive is still the best maintenance-free system though!
After fitting a Scottoiler the adjustment interval was twice every 4000 miles, and chains typically lasted 15,000 miles (on my 1000 Exup I managed 20,000) and even then it hadn't stretched appreciably, and had no tight spots- the sprocket teeth had just worn to hooks, forcing replacement of both. It really did pay for itself with the first chain.
And the main benefit was not needing to scrape black tarry gunge from spray-lubes from the back half of the bike. At worst I had to wipe off a small amount of flung oil.
Little and often is the best way to lubricate. Spray lubes have to have a certain amount of gelling agent in order to stick to the chain. This attracts grit and gunge, makes a nasty grinding paste and is generally a pain to clean off.
Having said that, if you let the scottoiler reservoir run dry, or accidentally knock the feed tube off the chain, the chain dies very quickly indeed.
Shaft drive is still the best maintenance-free system though!
Bought a '96 Speed Triple on ebay a few weeks ago.. Good condition, FSH and well looked after, but a bit over tarted with bolt on crap and in a rubbish colour:
Managed to pick up a full set of immaculate black bodywork on ebay for £200, so stripped the bike yesterday morning, and now going to ebay my old blue bodywork - should mean its cost next to nowt for the colour change. and looks so much better now, especially after stripping the mirrors and grab handle and fitting a CF seat pod £40 (sellotaped on at the moment haha):
Its a proper heavy beast - handling is....errr....entertaining, coming from sportsbikes, and the whole thing feels like its been cast from a solid piece of granite! Sounds fantastic though, and should handle better with refurbed front suspension and a new Hagon shock.
Managed to pick up a full set of immaculate black bodywork on ebay for £200, so stripped the bike yesterday morning, and now going to ebay my old blue bodywork - should mean its cost next to nowt for the colour change. and looks so much better now, especially after stripping the mirrors and grab handle and fitting a CF seat pod £40 (sellotaped on at the moment haha):
Its a proper heavy beast - handling is....errr....entertaining, coming from sportsbikes, and the whole thing feels like its been cast from a solid piece of granite! Sounds fantastic though, and should handle better with refurbed front suspension and a new Hagon shock.
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Posted these pics in the bikers lounge thread, they are probably better suited here 
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Thats stunning mate! One of the best customs Ive seen in ages...wanna sell it?
Posted these pics in the bikers lounge thread, they are probably better suited here
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Custom? thats a Buel and its made like that 
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Yers, well....I was only testing to see if you were awake *ahem*.Custom? thats a Buel and its made like that
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Now the sun's poked its head out, what I thought would happen is happening. I'm jealous, all the bikes are out. This is going to be my first summer bikeless!
I think I'm going to get insured on the family workhorse (Aprilia Pegaso) partly just so I get to have something to ride, and partly because it's so much cheaper with where I work. Chelmsford hasn't got ANY free parking for cars within about 2 miles of the centre. I spend a few quid a day on petrol getting there and £3.60 on parking every day for work! I earn **** all so saving that each day is a huge difference.
Plus I have a massive soft spot for the Pegaso, it's worth about 50p and it starts to weave at about 90 but I love it to pieces. Riding it in London is liberating as well, not like on the Mille. They can block me off if they want, the Peg's worth next to nothing so if they want to get in the way they're welcome to, I shan't be slowing
If I got knocked off the Mille I'd cry, if I got knocked off the Pegaso I'd pick it up and be on my way. I was trying to turn it round in my girlfriend's garden last year and it fell in a bush, I'd have **** my pants if it was my RSV that'd fallen over
I think I'm going to get insured on the family workhorse (Aprilia Pegaso) partly just so I get to have something to ride, and partly because it's so much cheaper with where I work. Chelmsford hasn't got ANY free parking for cars within about 2 miles of the centre. I spend a few quid a day on petrol getting there and £3.60 on parking every day for work! I earn **** all so saving that each day is a huge difference.
Plus I have a massive soft spot for the Pegaso, it's worth about 50p and it starts to weave at about 90 but I love it to pieces. Riding it in London is liberating as well, not like on the Mille. They can block me off if they want, the Peg's worth next to nothing so if they want to get in the way they're welcome to, I shan't be slowing
If I got knocked off the Mille I'd cry, if I got knocked off the Pegaso I'd pick it up and be on my way. I was trying to turn it round in my girlfriend's garden last year and it fell in a bush, I'd have **** my pants if it was my RSV that'd fallen over
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I hope it starts raining again, sun + cant ride = 
I think im going to get depressed and play motogp on the playstation..
I think im going to get depressed and play motogp on the playstation..
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Dusted the Mille down and used it to go in to work last night. Great fun.
Rather chilly this morning though, minus 5 deg on the way home. Roads were fine and dry though but I certainly had my helmet vents closed.
Rather chilly this morning though, minus 5 deg on the way home. Roads were fine and dry though but I certainly had my helmet vents closed.
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As much as I love the Buell the way it is, is it wrong that i'd love to try a Buell with a screaming Jap 4pot engine? Same frame/wheels/fuel storage etc, just an engine change.
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Used mine to goto work thursday and friday. Broke down on the way home friday Some reason I keep having the same problem, the engine stops getting fuel.
Some reason I keep having the same problem, the engine stops getting fuel.
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Stick a Busa engine on it
Used mine to goto work thursday and friday. Broke down on the way home friday
Blockage in the fuel line? take the hoses off and have a look.
Maybe the carbs need cleaning, or carb icing in this cold.