Poverty rate among working households in UK is highest ever

413x said:
The kids thing is super hard.

It's not great to punish the kids for parents poor life choices.
But at the same time it's basically impossible to help kids without giving **** parents a free ride.
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Bring back corporal punishment in schools.

BUT it's the parents who get the cane, not the kids.

I guess Mr Jones might encourage better behaviour in his children after 6 of the best with a length of lead piping at morning assembly.

Double canings for truancy, so they don't take the easy way out.
 
Bassmansam said:
when has it ever been any different? Which countries operate a better system then?
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We have one of the worst housing markets anywhere, and we refuse to take the necessary steps, like banning foreign investors from speculating on it, or banning corporations from owning residential property.

We won't ever do that. It's too socialist. Housing is just another asset class to generate revenue for the already rich. Tories won't even let councils build (and keep) new housing stock.
 
Bassmansam said:
when has it ever been any different? Which countries operate a better system then?
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FoxEye said:
We have one of the worst housing markets anywhere, and we refuse to take the necessary steps, like banning foreign investors from speculating on it, or banning corporations from owning residential property.

We won't ever do that. It's too socialist. Housing is just another asset class to generate revenue for the already rich. Tories won't even let councils build (and keep) new housing stock.
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indeed FoxEye.

When has it ever been different?! Are you will fully ignorant to basic economic and housing policy history or are you 25 years old and think that that’s when time began?

Look at the post war effort that resulted the NHS and massive socialist policies that successfully created the gigantic boom in housing, jobs and utilities. When you could actually be proud of being British for something you were participating in just by existing in Britain’s society.
 
hurfdurf said:
indeed FoxEye.

When has it ever been different?! Are you will fully ignorant to basic economic and housing policy history or are you 25 years old and think that that’s when time began?

Look at the post war effort that resulted the NHS and massive socialist policies that successfully created the gigantic boom in housing, jobs and utilities. When you could actually be proud of being British for something you were participating in just by existing in Britain’s society.
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32. I assume the “i’m alright jack” attitude has long been a common attitude, thats what i was referring too.
 
Bassmansam said:
32. I assume the “i’m alright jack” attitude has long been a common attitude, thats what i was referring too.
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No, pre 80’s when Thatcher sold off the entire state owned property for short term profit and to create wealth for private companies that donated to Tory governments long term, Britain has a massive council housing stock and public utilities.

These were driven into the ground as an excuse to then sell them, either to friends or for a quick buck to eventually be purchased by the already wealthy, who have made a profit from them ever since.
 
I've read about half the posts.

Is the whole thread talking about people on benefits?

The OP is talking about in-work poor, i.e. people with jobs.
 
I can't tell if I'm just missing it or not but what does the report actually define 'poverty'
as being?
 
The reality is that we (the UK) are poor, not rich. What we spend is already unaffordable before covid, let alone now.

Everyone i have observed who is "poor" but working (i only observe people at work) just spend all of their money. Frequently i hear "payday is X day" Because they operate in phases.

Splash out after payday.. Then barely afford anything in the last week or so. Atleast most of them pay their bills first. But while the splashing out might stick in your mind, it is the small things that add up very quickly.

£147 is 2 days a week on minimum wage, that is not "working"
 
Minusorange said:
From the article it sounds like if you're renting you're in poverty lol
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Exactly. It's all well and good saying x amount of people are in poverty but without defining poverty or providing a definition that doesn't correlate with what the majority of the population would define as poverty then its meaningless.
 
hurfdurf said:
No, pre 80’s when Thatcher sold off the entire state owned property for short term profit and to create wealth for private companies that donated to Tory governments long term, Britain has a massive council housing stock and public utilities.

These were driven into the ground as an excuse to then sell them, either to friends or for a quick buck to eventually be purchased by the already wealthy, who have made a profit from them ever since.
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You're just make up nonsense, for example, the BT privatisation, this was open for anyone to participate in:

Advert from the initial flotation in the mid-80s:


Advert re: the government selling another chunk of its remaining shares in 1991:
 
The relative poverty rate is a valid metric, but the Guardian isn't using it right. The fact that they steer clear from even stating that it's only relative poverty being reported shows that they're not interested in actually informing their readership. But we already knew that.

:edit: turns out chrome was being weird, and they actually do state it very clearly! Just goes to show how quickly one can accept something they want to see expect to see instead of looking deeper.
 
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