Continued on from discussion started in Road Cycling thread....
You are not in any way off the mark, you are spot on. PDC and TTE and working to those is not a replacement training method, as you say, it is an extension to the traditional training based off an established FTP figure. The main point to take away and change logic wise in peoples heads is that FTP is absolutely not whatever number you can actually do/been modeled to do for 60mins. So the idea of doing 20min tests regularly and then using a calculator to get a perceived ability for 60mins is dead as that's a very one-zize-fits-all estimation that does not accommodate a riders strengths/weaknesses or training ambitions.
A few guys mentioned it all being a bit serious and harder to track. I did 100% agree on this in terms of WKO4 being expensive and very involved as is a coach to do so for you, but I think other than the cost of money & time required it is not too extensive or over the top for anyone with a power meter who is training for competitive reasoning. IT allows a far greater insight to your abilities and what abilities you need to train across the whole spectrum, rather than focusing on pushing up a number you have simply calculated from a half a perceived effort.
I didn't know he was going to do this but my coach just posted this to Facebook with a video he done as well. Gives example of the adaptions and sessions we are incorporating just now and how they have improved elements of my ability. I done this 1x60mins he speaks of in the spoiler below last Thursday and done another 1x60mins on Monday night and went 8w higher again. I'll move onto some lower time similar efforts then do another block and move onto again longer sustained efforts over an hour once I can get back outside on the good bike regularly and this will populate the PDC vastly and allow us to concentrate on very very specific areas to get me where I need to be (dunno if video will work):
Bear said:Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will come along and put me straight if I'm way off the mark
You are not in any way off the mark, you are spot on. PDC and TTE and working to those is not a replacement training method, as you say, it is an extension to the traditional training based off an established FTP figure. The main point to take away and change logic wise in peoples heads is that FTP is absolutely not whatever number you can actually do/been modeled to do for 60mins. So the idea of doing 20min tests regularly and then using a calculator to get a perceived ability for 60mins is dead as that's a very one-zize-fits-all estimation that does not accommodate a riders strengths/weaknesses or training ambitions.
A few guys mentioned it all being a bit serious and harder to track. I did 100% agree on this in terms of WKO4 being expensive and very involved as is a coach to do so for you, but I think other than the cost of money & time required it is not too extensive or over the top for anyone with a power meter who is training for competitive reasoning. IT allows a far greater insight to your abilities and what abilities you need to train across the whole spectrum, rather than focusing on pushing up a number you have simply calculated from a half a perceived effort.
I didn't know he was going to do this but my coach just posted this to Facebook with a video he done as well. Gives example of the adaptions and sessions we are incorporating just now and how they have improved elements of my ability. I done this 1x60mins he speaks of in the spoiler below last Thursday and done another 1x60mins on Monday night and went 8w higher again. I'll move onto some lower time similar efforts then do another block and move onto again longer sustained efforts over an hour once I can get back outside on the good bike regularly and this will populate the PDC vastly and allow us to concentrate on very very specific areas to get me where I need to be (dunno if video will work):
https://www.facebook.com/100000117812088/videos/1698587260155185/
Coached rider Dean Cunningham is now in full swing preparation for the 2017 time trial season. Last week Dean popped down to my office on his travels and performed his last session of the extensive aerobic phase. The aim with Dean is to really light a fire in his engine and make the most of his limited training time.
Today's session was a gradual 20 minute warm up followed by a consistent 60 minute effort. This 60 minute effort focused on part of the power duration curve with needed maintenance. We knew exactly what average watts we needed for the 60 minutes to bring it up to line with our training phase focus. Dean has hit a few consistent 40 minutes efforts in this watt range and this session was interesting especially when looking at the relationship between power and heart rate. I wanted to see what heart rate did once past the 40 minute point. Will it start to de couple and drift ?
The answer was no it stayed coupled with power. Even to the point where Dean managed to pick up power in the final 10 minutes and easily power past the set target.
Once the data was uploaded we saw the power duration curve move. Not only did it improve at the targeted 60 minute point. It also pulled up the curve all the way out to 74 minutes and the curve to 32 minutes.
mFTP went up 6 watts and TTE extended by 7 minutes.
With Dean we have achieved real strength in depth in this phase and you can see from the video how powerful he is looking. Dean is racing 10 and 25 mile time trials and he has outstanding fatigue resistance over both event durations.
What excites Transition as a coaching team is the fact Dean has not touched any threshold work. He is now achieving peak powers from 30-60 minutes with a whole boat load of energy systems to cause adaptations ahead of us.
It's safe to say Dean is doing himself proud and covering all based ahead of the 2017 season.
Coached rider Dean Cunningham is now in full swing preparation for the 2017 time trial season. Last week Dean popped down to my office on his travels and performed his last session of the extensive aerobic phase. The aim with Dean is to really light a fire in his engine and make the most of his limited training time.
Today's session was a gradual 20 minute warm up followed by a consistent 60 minute effort. This 60 minute effort focused on part of the power duration curve with needed maintenance. We knew exactly what average watts we needed for the 60 minutes to bring it up to line with our training phase focus. Dean has hit a few consistent 40 minutes efforts in this watt range and this session was interesting especially when looking at the relationship between power and heart rate. I wanted to see what heart rate did once past the 40 minute point. Will it start to de couple and drift ?
The answer was no it stayed coupled with power. Even to the point where Dean managed to pick up power in the final 10 minutes and easily power past the set target.
Once the data was uploaded we saw the power duration curve move. Not only did it improve at the targeted 60 minute point. It also pulled up the curve all the way out to 74 minutes and the curve to 32 minutes.
mFTP went up 6 watts and TTE extended by 7 minutes.
With Dean we have achieved real strength in depth in this phase and you can see from the video how powerful he is looking. Dean is racing 10 and 25 mile time trials and he has outstanding fatigue resistance over both event durations.
What excites Transition as a coaching team is the fact Dean has not touched any threshold work. He is now achieving peak powers from 30-60 minutes with a whole boat load of energy systems to cause adaptations ahead of us.
It's safe to say Dean is doing himself proud and covering all based ahead of the 2017 season.
