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[pgi947]

Honestly man, I'm out but in future learn to read everything what someone posts, not take little bits DM style and turn it into some sort of warped hate campaign.

 

[humbug]

Honestly man, I'm out but in future learn to read everything what someone posts, not take little bits DM style and turn it into some sort of warped hate campaign.

Well what was the point?

I'm using a 4 year old AMD CPU and am getting better latencies in Mantle than Nvidia are on a much more powerful CPU.

You said it yourself so many times. Mantle is about CPU bottlenecks.

 

[LtMatt]

Honestly man, I'm out but in future learn to read everything what someone posts, not take little bits DM style and turn it into some sort of warped hate campaign.

Me or Humbug?

 

[pgi947]

Well what was the point?

Read things over perhaps?

I'm not the one getting bent out of shape and on the defensive about it though matt, my overlying question was is there still issues with DX on the 14.x drivers.

Then answered by the gent below.

As far as i know there never has been. I think the first Mantle drivers, 14.1 had some buggy dx performance in BF4 but that was rectified two weeks later with 14.2. Anything else just sounds like someone is making stuff up to me. The majority of benchmarks on the 295x2 (14.4 Beta) vs 780TI SLI (wonder drivers) had the 295x2 winning on most sites apart from TechReport who had three GameWorks titles in their testing suite. So i guess the dx performance isn't as bad as people would have you believe.

So what is your problem then humbug? Any time someone tries to raise a point with you or ask a question you go off on a rampage for absolutely no reason. If you don't like the company we keep here at OcUK then by all means go elsewhere. Things will happen and things will be said that you don't always agree with, that doesn't give you any right to speak to people the way you do on this forum. You constantly talk down and dismiss people that don't share the same train of thought or viewpoint as you. Its pathetic and disgusting.

 

[Gregster]

So what is your problem then humbug? Any time someone tries to raise a point with you or ask a question you go off on a rampage for absolutely no reason. If you don't like the company we keep here at OcUK then by all means go elsewhere. Things will happen and things will be said that you don't always agree with, that doesn't give you any right to speak to people the way you do on this forum. You constantly talk down and dismiss people that don't share the same train of thought or viewpoint as you. Its pathetic and disgusting.

Nice card Humbug but Paul has a point here. You do go off on people who don't always agree with you and not in a pleasant way. Paul pointed out some good bits and wasn't rude at all.

Just trying to keep the peace brothers

 

[humbug]

Read things over perhaps?



Then answered by the gent below.



So what is your problem then humbug? Any time someone tries to raise a point with you or ask a question you go off on a rampage for absolutely no reason. If you don't like the company we keep here at OcUK then by all means go elsewhere. Things will happen and things will be said that you don't always agree with, that doesn't give you any right to speak to people the way you do on this forum. You constantly talk down and dismiss people that don't share the same train of thought or viewpoint as you. Its pathetic and disgusting.

"If you don't like the company we keep here at OcUK then by all means go elsewhere." your not getting rid of me that easy

I was using 14.3 Drivers, not 14.1, its written in my GPU-Z screenie. While you don't want to talk about Mantle that is exactly what i am taking about.

So the answer to 'your' question is; no, there is nothing wrong with DX performance.

 

[pgi947]

"If you don't like the company we keep here at OcUK then by all means go elsewhere." your not getting rid of me that easy

I was using 14.3 Drivers, not 14.1, while you don't want to talk about Mantle that is exactly what i am taking about.

So the answer to 'your' question is, no, there is nothing wrong with DX performance.

Was that so hard to be civil in your reply? Thought not

btw, one of these cards is currently on the MM for £260 if you want some CF action.

 

[LtMatt]

Free reacharounds for everyone!

 

[humbug]

Was that so hard to be civil in your reply? Thought not

btw, one of these cards is currently on the MM for £260 if you want some CF action.

I'm looking for a new CPU first, Christ. let me worry about CF when i have the right amount of Muscle to power it all.

 

[pgi947]

In all honesty I would say aim for a decent 3820 x79 bundle, plenty of power, all have 16/16x PCI, high bandwidth quad channel memory and leaves you open to a hex core upgrade further down the line when 3930/4930k's become dirt cheap and shouldn't cost you much of anything more then an i7 sandy/ivy bundle.

I've used z68, z77, x79 and now z87, I genuinely wish I'd stuck with x79, a superb platform.

 

[Geeman1979]

In all honesty I would say aim for a decent 3820 x79 bundle, plenty of power, all have 16/16x PCI, high bandwidth quad channel memory and leaves you open to a hex core upgrade further down the line when 3930/4930k's become dirt cheap and shouldn't cost you much of anything more then an i7 sandy/ivy bundle.

I've used z68, z77, x79 and now z87, I genuinely wish I'd stuck with x79, a superb platform.

+1

Will be a good while before the 6 cores become dirt cheap though.

 

[pgi947]

+1

Will be a good while before the 6 cores become dirt cheap though.

I've seen 3930K's going for ~£200, so its heading in the right direction.

 

[humbug]

In all honesty I would say aim for a decent 3820 x79 bundle, plenty of power, all have 16/16x PCI, high bandwidth quad channel memory and leaves you open to a hex core upgrade further down the line when 3930/4930k's become dirt cheap and shouldn't cost you much of anything more then an i7 sandy/ivy bundle.

I've used z68, z77, x79 and now z87, I genuinely wish I'd stuck with x79, a superb platform.

Are they unlocked? http://ark.intel.com/products/63698/Intel-Core-i7-3820-Processor-10M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz

 

[pgi947]

Are they unlocked? http://ark.intel.com/products/63698/Intel-Core-i7-3820-Processor-10M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz

Yes, just not in the traditional sense, the multiplier only go's as high as 42 (maybe 43?) but X79's main feature is the base clock straps of 1.0x, 1.25x, 1.67x & 2.5x.

So take your base clock thats 100mhz, apply 1.25x strap gives you a base clock of 125mhz then adjust multiplier from that to get what ever clocks you desire, a little like clocking X58 iirc.

So 100mhz x 1.25 = 125mhz x 39x core multiplier gives ~4.8ghz and so on and so forth. Just remember memory multiplier also works from the same base so you may need to adjust the MMP as well but it just adds to the fun.

Edit: While I remember, PCIE 3.0 with SBE (non-certified) is generally fine on AMD cards, Nvidia cards require some patch that doesn't always work!

 

[LtMatt]

Yes, just not in the traditional sense, the multiplier only go's as high as 42 (maybe 43?) but X79's main feature is the base clock straps of 1.0x, 1.25x, 1.67x & 2.5x.

So take your base clock thats 100mhz, apply 1.25x strap gives you a base clock of 125mhz then adjust multiplier from that to get what ever clocks you desire, a little like clocking X58 iirc.

So 100mhz x 1.25 = 125mhz x 39x core multiplier gives ~4.8ghz and so on and so forth. Just remember memory multiplier also works from the same base so you may need to adjust the MMP as well but it just adds to the fun.

That sounds a bit confusing from what im used to. Sure id pick it up in no time though.

 

[pgi947]

That sounds a bit confusing from what im used to. Sure id pick it up in no time though.

its a complete head **** the first time around, once you get your head around base clock being king and not multipliers its easy enough.

 

[Geeman1979]

I've seen 3930K's going for ~£200, so its heading in the right direction.

Not seen many at that money coming from a good source. You'll always get the odd cheap one floating about depending on how desperate someone is to sell.

More than likely flat line around the £250 mark. Just look how the old LGA 1366/Socket 6 Core Cpu's are still holding there money 2nd hand.

 

[humbug]

Yes, just not in the traditional sense, the multiplier only go's as high as 42 (maybe 43?) but X79's main feature is the base clock straps of 1.0x, 1.25x, 1.67x & 2.5x.

So take your base clock thats 100mhz, apply 1.25x strap gives you a base clock of 125mhz then adjust multiplier from that to get what ever clocks you desire, a little like clocking X58 iirc.

So 100mhz x 1.25 = 125mhz x 39x core multiplier gives ~4.8ghz and so on and so forth. Just remember memory multiplier also works from the same base so you may need to adjust the MMP as well but it just adds to the fun.

Ok thats good, even if limited if it does have an unlocked Multiplier then i'm happy with that.

One thing i hated about the X58 was messing on with the FSB and memory multipliers, its was like going back to an early Athlon.

They are cheaper than the 3770K so its a good option to keep my eye out for, thanks

I will keep this quote for future instructions.

 

[pgi947]

8 Pack has a guide up in his sub forum just for X79 clocking its very helpful too. The one thing I can stress with X79 is to get a decent memory kit, you won't have a good time on some generic 1600C9 stuff with a 3820. 1866/2133C9 is what I'd recommend as a minimum.

 

[humbug]

8 Pack has a guide up in his sub forum just for X79 clocking its very helpful too. The one thing I can stress with X79 is to get a decent memory kit, you won't have a good time on some generic 1600C9 stuff with a 3820. 1866/2133C9 is what I'd recommend as a minimum.

ok