Practically given up

badcompany said:
its part of the enjoyment getting a stable system or it used to be for me but now days I hardly ever tinker with it once its running smoothly. I don't seem to get any of these problems you mention?

back down on your OC or up voltage as it may not be 100% stable my the sounds of it.
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Same as. When I was a kid all I cared about was speed and performance, nowadays I want reliability No. 1. 24/7. I've even reset everything to stock and lo and behold no performance problems (apart from BF3 crashing to black screen, but we know that's the game).

Obviously most sensible overclocks can be fine, for a time but electromigration, hot carrier injection etc. etc. if you want your hardware to last years and maintain rock solid reliability, I'm edging towards smaller (and no) ocs these days.

Reliability > performance
 
I dont bother with overclocking, i just leave things how they are made and stick with it.

Games run fine, great fps and such, it's just an odd few have a tendancy to feel really stiff without vsync on, i dont know if its the tearing causing problems with my eyes or me just being a paranoid ****er (usually point b) but it becomes annoying.

Especially screen teairng, i learnt to deal with it lately but GODDAMN is it annoying as ****.
 
ive only been pc gaming fr 6 months or so in that time ive been getting really annoyed with a lot if not all the games aswell that have been coming out every one seems to have something wrong..my rig is stable ive run benchmark after benchmark after stress test...

skyrim been the biggest pain for me...
 
mxoagentjohnson said:
That is the point, i want to keep steam files and such, would i just transfer all that from "Windows.old" to the new one?
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Yeah that's right. I personally use the back-up functionality provided by steam but others have said that you can just drag-and-drop the steam folder without issue.

I would recommend that you back-up essential data before doing the reinstall. You never know. Also I remember some directories will not be saved into windows.old such program files so have a read into it.
 
Skyrim was like a ****ing trainwreck for me, a depressing massive badly optimized trainwreck.

The problem isnt so bad, its just with an expensive new rig,i expect a better performance, i went from 20fps in tf2 to max settings and (this is only an example) if i come into problems i get ****ed off because its my money.,

This new monitor is gay as **** a lot of the time, 1920x1080, more problems than my 1440x900 tv. and that was 60hz too (just screen tearing really never saw it on old monitor)
 
mxoagentjohnson said:
Not trying to make this article in a foul, **** pc gaming mood, but i'm at that point.

Every bleeding day i encounter a new problem with my, rather expensive gaming computer.

Every single game seems to have one problem or the other, now i am encountering my fifth problem with EVERY game in the past 2 months since i owned this thing.

Every single game i own, runs terribly, not performance wise but visual wise.
But only if i turn vsync off.

Doesnt matter if they are on in the ccc that doesnt even work.

I'm saying, if i dont have vsync on, it isnt tearing but the game is glitchy, walking left and right is unsmooth, walking forward is unsmooth et

But i cant HAVE vsync on otherwise i get terribad mouselag.

So i'm at a point where, it is either play a game that runs badly, or play a game with mouse lag.

What in bloodys hell name is there to do now? i've considered getting a new monitor, i got a new keyboard and mouse (whilst fixing some things didnt others) and i am on the verge of insanity with this poxy thing

My rig is an i7 2600 @ 3.4ghz
6GB ram and a 6870 sapphire 1gb card.

If anyone could give me any advice id be very grateful
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Your PC is not even expensive as PC's go its just a mid-range model at best. An expensive high end PC is around £2000-3000 upwards an average gaming PC costs up to £1K.

Your 6870 is only a low end GPU nowadays get something much better for around £150-200 try an Nvidia card they usually offer a better gaming experience overall. You can probably get £50-70 for your 6870 2nd hand if you can even find a buyer.

PC gaming is expensive if you want max eye candy @ 1920x1080 or higher so you can either upgrade or buy a console for gaming which would be a massive downgrade but most recent PC games are poorly coded so you need more power than ever before.

1440x900=1296000 pixels to render/manipulate
1920x1080=2073600 pixels to render/manipulate

That's over 700000 extra pixels your PC has to render/light/apply AA+AF etc etc its why it no longer feels as smooth as your old monitor. You could just buy a 1440x900 monitor again to save money or look into upgrading with more hardware. Its a never ending upgrade path at times but that is the nature of PC gaming once you see how far ahead a game looks on a PC consoles become of little interest. They offer less stress but a very inferior gaming experience graphically.
 
reinstall with latest drivers and get your system stable.

i've ran the same system for over 2 years apart from upgrading to a 6970 this time last year, never have any issues and its rock solid both in terms of stability and performance


i've been in your position though, where it all seems to be one problem after another and nothing wants to play ball. but take your time, make use of the knowledgable people on here and get your system setup as it should be and you'll love it ;)

sorry i cant shed any light on your issues but my first step would be a fresh install with the latest drivers for your hardware and start from there
 
mxoagentjohnson said:
I dont bother with overclocking, i just leave things how they are made and stick with it.
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LOL. Welcome to overclockers forums.

I would not listen to those who say 'should have bought nvidia'. The only problem i have had in a long time is that Battlefield 3 sometimes does not start first time but that is a problem with the game rather than my AMD graphics card. Plenty of people have trouble with nvidia and there drivers. You are better finding out the problem and fixing it rather than swapping graphics cards as all you will probably get is a new set of problems.

I would just re-install windows - install motherboard - graphics - sound card - network drivers (make sure that ALL these are all the latest version from the manufacturers website). Then, update windows and install ant-virus/firewall. Re-install your programs and games (make sure your games are updated with latest patches). Sometimes certain components of a PC will not like working with other components so they can fix issues by releaseing updated drivers for sound cards and other components.

Your games should run fine on medium settings with a 6870
 
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AWPC said:
PC gaming is expensive if you want max eye candy @ 1920x1080 or higher so you can either upgrade or buy a console for gaming which would be a massive downgrade but most recent PC games are poorly coded so you need more power than ever before.

1440x900=1296000 pixels to render/manipulate
1920x1080=2073600 pixels to render/manipulate

That's over 700000 extra pixels your PC has to render/light/apply AA+AF etc etc its why it no longer feels as smooth as your old monitor. You could just buy a 1440x900 monitor again to save money or look into upgrading with more hardware. Its a never ending upgrade path at times but that is the nature of PC gaming once you see how far ahead a game looks on a PC consoles become of little interest. They offer less stress but a very inferior gaming experience graphically.
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This is very true.

With the increase in resolution needs to be another increase in expenditure in horsepower to process the extra pixels.

To run with lots of AA/AF with everything on ultra at 1920 x 1080 you need an expensive SLI rig really, or stick to games running on very optimzed engines like Halflife games which will run fine at 1920 x 1080 maxed out with older hardware.

either

A) game on a console

or

B) go back to a smaller monitor to game on / spend more money on upgrading your rig to cope with 1920 x 1080

You simply cannot play AAA rated brand new games like BF3 and skyrim at 1920 x 1080 on mid range hardware.
 
mxoagentjohnson said:
I do own the original win7 install stuff, but i dont own a usb or an external hd, and all my games come up to a staggering 300gb of stuff.
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I keep all my steam stuff on a seperate drive partition and just wipe windows then once everythings sorted steam can connect the new windows to the old steam games, some games will need a reinstall but its a very small amount. Out of all mine there was only 2 that demanded a reinstall, Shogun 2 and Splinter Cell Conviction, the rest it had no problem with.
 
AWPC said:
Your PC is not even expensive as PC's go its just a mid-range model at best. An expensive high end PC is around £2000-3000 upwards an average gaming PC costs up to £1K.
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Price doesn't really relate to how "high end" a PC is for games. Just because you choose to only buy the most expensive nVidia graphics card doesn't mean anything "less" is poor.

Your 6870 is only a low end GPU nowadays get something much better for around £150-200 try an Nvidia card they usually offer a better gaming experience overall. You can probably get £50-70 for your 6870 2nd hand if you can even find a buyer.
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6870s are by no means low end, you shouldn't be spreading misinformation like this. A 6870 isn't top end, everyone knows this but it's more than capable of running the latest games. Games have stagnated and aren't really requiring more performance, you should know this, and stop with the "nVidia offers a smoother experience" crap, it's pretty clear his problems are unusual considering the fact that he should be getting a lot more performance for the hardware he has.

PC gaming is expensive if you want max eye candy @ 1920x1080 or higher so you can either upgrade or buy a console for gaming which would be a massive downgrade but most recent PC games are poorly coded so you need more power than ever before.
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No it's not, stop talking rubbish. A 6870 is more than enough for most people to play most games. A 4850 is good enough to play a lot of recent games as well. There are only a handful that actually "need" a lot more performance, and even then it's only when you're running something like multiple monitors.

1440x900=1296000 pixels to render/manipulate
1920x1080=2073600 pixels to render/manipulate

That's over 700000 extra pixels your PC has to render/light/apply AA+AF etc etc its why it no longer feels as smooth as your old monitor. You could just buy a 1440x900 monitor again to save money or look into upgrading with more hardware. Its a never ending upgrade path at times but that is the nature of PC gaming once you see how far ahead a game looks on a PC consoles become of little interest. They offer less stress but a very inferior gaming experience graphically.
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Despite the increased resolution, 1920x1080 is standard now, most people play games at this resolution and have done for years and most decent cards from the last 3-4 years cope fine with this resolution with recent games. I swear people have really bad memories about previous generation hardware. One day a graphics card is perfectly fine for most games at a certain resolution, then the moment new ones come out you get a load of people like you swearing that they same graphics cards they were recommending the week before will struggle at 1920x1080 with the same games.

PC gaming can be expensive, but for people like you who choose to continually upgrade, it's a choice you've made to continually spend money that isn't really necessary. I'm still running a Q6600 (although overclocked to 3.6Ghz) with 8GB of RAM and it's fine with my 58702GB. I can play nearly all the latest games at 6048x1200 (3x 1920x1200 monitors with bezel compensation) with max settings and still get smooth framerates. The last upgrade I got for my PC was the 2GB 5870 around a year and a half ago, and before then I hadn't upgraded my PC for around the same time period.
 
MrLOL said:
This is very true.

With the increase in resolution needs to be another increase in expenditure in horsepower to process the extra pixels.

To run with lots of AA/AF with everything on ultra at 1920 x 1080 you need an expensive SLI rig really, or stick to games running on very optimzed engines like Halflife games which will run fine at 1920 x 1080 maxed out with older hardware.

either

A) game on a console

or

B) go back to a smaller monitor to game on / spend more money on upgrading your rig to cope with 1920 x 1080

You simply cannot play AAA rated brand new games like BF3 and skyrim at 1920 x 1080 on mid range hardware.
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This reply made me LOL MrLOL. You do NOT need SLI to max out a 1920x1080 res at all. My rig copes just fine at that res, plus I spent about £500 in total...............................
 
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MrLOL said:
This is very true.

With the increase in resolution needs to be another increase in expenditure in horsepower to process the extra pixels.

To run with lots of AA/AF with everything on ultra at 1920 x 1080 you need an expensive SLI rig really, or stick to games running on very optimzed engines like Halflife games which will run fine at 1920 x 1080 maxed out with older hardware.
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You really don't, see below.

A) game on a console

or

B) go back to a smaller monitor to game on / spend more money on upgrading your rig to cope with 1920 x 1080

You simply cannot play AAA rated brand new games like BF3 and skyrim at 1920 x 1080 on mid range hardware.
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I've been playing Skyrim at 6048x1200, max settings + a load of graphics tweaks and high res texture packs on my PC with no issues, Q6600 at 3.6Ghz and a 5870. I haven't got an "expensive SLI computer".

It's like people who claim 1920x1200 is really hard work are stuck in 2004/5 when 24" monitors started becoming popular and haven't moved on since.
 
maybe an SLI rig was a bit of an exaggeration

But You can't expect to max out AAA titles at 1920 x 1080 with hardware like the 6870.

LeJosh said:
I'm playing Skyrim at 1920x1080 on my 4850 and it runs smooth enough at high with a mix of medium. :)
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For reference i'm referring to running everything on ULTRA with AA / AF on top at 1920 x 1080, which is what i think the OP may be trying to achieve.

Not merely "running the game"

If your willing to run without high AA / AF and knock the detail down to medium on some settings, obviously older cards are going to be fine. But the OP makes no mention of trying this ?
 
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