But I'm not sure how an actual injury (as opposed to footballers, who are not injured 99.9% of the time) is comparable. In Pro cycling they don't stop when someone is injured. It's not a good comparison.
My point is if they don't stop when injured what if it's the person in the yellow jersey that's injured. Surely respecting the yellow jersey and not attacking it would be at odds with if the yellow jersey had an incident.
Honestly, I'm believing more and more we just see things differently. That or you're just being awkward now. If you don't see a difference between just carrying on as the peloton do compared to upping the pace, or even launching an attack.
I'm not being awkward for the sake of it. Try to see it from my point as someone new to this sport but as someone who loves all sports.
The yellow/pink/red jersey are the ultimate goal for the GC riders during each GT. In my mind, if that is the jersey all the GC riders want then they'll surely be trying their best to win said jersey which would have course include attacking the leader. Another sport I follow closely, F1. To rationalise rules in my mind, I compare it to something else I understand. Yes they're not 1:1 but, ultimately, both are a race with riders/drivers trying to come first.
I find it utterly bonkers to understand the concept in a sporting competition where you don't make the most of your competitors misfortune. That to me is not bad sportsmanship, it's just how sport goes. There is a huge difference in taking advantage of a situation you've created compared to one you were just in the right place at the right time.
If someone has committed a foul then I agree they should wait as that is only fair. If someone makes a mistake/has bad luck which isn't related to anything I've done, I don't understand why I should ease off or not launch an attack. If no rules are broken then there is nothing wrong with it. An unwritten rule isn't a rule. Am I watching a competition or a gentlemen's club ride?
So if it comes down to "it's not nice to attack the leader if they've had an issue" then yeah I just don't get it. If it's an actual written rule in the regulations, I still wouldn't understand or agree with it but it would be understood for everyone.
Oh come on, surely you're trolling now? A snapped chain is the mechanics fault?
I'm actually a bit annoyed you think I'm trolling and not doing this in good faith.
I am not saying a snapped chain is solely down to a mechanic. What I am saying is that in a team, everyone has a part to play. From the rider down to the person driving the coach. They all have a role to play. You brought up the snapped chain issue my reply to that was, as unlikely as it could be, if you have two teams one
may have a mechanic that could be more experienced and see something that could develop into an issue VS a mechanic who isn't as experienced may miss it which could lead to something like a chain snapping.
A team is only as good as it's weak link along with the 'we win and lose together' mentality. A well oiled team has everyone operating on a high level and I, personally and it seems I am in the minority in the cycling world, believe the rider owes it to everyone on his team to go for the win.
Hopefully that explains my stance better and you can see i'm not just trolling for the fun of it.
No, you just carry on with your current plan, which was to just sit in the peloton and roll on.
Yeah, I'm still not seeing the logic in it but it is what it is.
Maybe 'the best person' should have been 'the best on the day'. Yes, upsets happen, I would still rather see whoever did the best be the winner. You can beat someone that's better than you, but hopefully it would be because on this occasion you played/did better, rather than because of a random bit of luck.
But sometimes it literally is just that and there is nothing wrong with being in the right place at the right time.
Again, this is not 'luck'. We often will say 'he was lucky' (myself included) but it often isn't real luck. Something might have changed, but it changed for everyone, people react and do different things, some work and some don't. That's not luck, that's choices.
You're on an F1 circuit. You've
just gone past the pit entry and a SC is called. You miss it by fractions of a second but all of your competitors were able to dive in for a change of tyres and loose a lot less time. Is that not unlucky for the lead driver and lucky for the followers?
Why does the guy no longer hold that role. Again, definitely not luck. Bad interpretation of the rules, or bad rules. No doubt in my mind. But not luck.
Because the FIA paid him to leave and keep his mouth shut? It doesn't really change much though. Max was and continues to be lucky today due to Massi messing up something he even acknowledged in a previous season. Anyway, I'd rather not revisit 2021 as I'm still furious.
It's unfortunate, but it's not luck. You kicked your own foot... that's not luck, you did it.
Again, definitely not luck.
That to me is bad luck.
In fact (and I realise we're spending way too much time on this
)To me, this is an argument in my favour.
We have two riders that have done this training and effort. I would prefer to see them in a fair fight, than one of them go 'oh, I didn't need to train so hard after all, the guy just got took out by someone, I'll take this opportunity to get 3 minutes on him. Because we're so evenly matched, he'll never catch that backup!' {queue evil laugh and Mr Burns gif, tapping fingers together}
See. This is exactly what I would do. Though I am ruthlessly competitive (ask my partner about the time I lost a game of bowling to her whilst we were in the early stages of dating, we fell out for a good few days) both when I used to play basketball for my local team down to things like a game of Fifa with my friends and like to see the same streak in professionals where being competitive actually means something.
Show respect before, during and after a game. Play within the rules and don't cheat. That is all I ask of sports people. If someone slips up, that's not the individual or teams fault or business. Focus on their own race and if that means pushing on when you have an advantage, you do that.
No one is going to look back at a result on Wikipedia in 30 years and think "Man, I can't believe X lost Y to Z but at least they shown good sportsmanship to Z by waiting for them.. until Z beat them". They'll just see that Z won Y. The only thing that matters in sport is the W. Everything else is secondary.
And also, on the boxing comparison, if one slips to the ground, I'm fairly sure the ref jumps in to stop the opponent taking advantage of that?
Because it's
literally agaisnt the written rules to hit someone when either their knee or glove has touched the canvas. If you did it's very likely you'd get DSQ. It's been within the Marquess of Queensberry rules that boxing has adhered to since the mid 1800s. Though I can't recall a fight from memory right now I bet it's happened where a referee would've jumped in from an illegal blow like a rabbit punch or elbow but they wont just jump in between the fighters to stop a legal advantage unless the fighter was no longer able to protect themselves.
**EDIT** In fact, I'm spending far too much time thinking about this now
I know it's passive aggressive, my apologies, I know I'm being a d*ck, but I'm going to bow out of the thread for a few days/weeks otherwise I won't be able to continue my life
I appreciate the discussion. Let's move on
No don't be like that! You're not being a dick (though I didn't like you saying I was trolling!) it's all love! Nothing to apologise for, at all!
